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It was a good show! I saw some nice Thayeri there, but didn't buy any. The most interesting one that I saw was a wild-caught adult male. I've never seen one in person... he was pretty nice looking too!

I forgot my camera, so I have no pictures to share.

Anyone else go?
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Aubrey Ross

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>>It was a good show! I saw some nice Thayeri there, but didn't buy any. The most interesting one that I saw was a wild-caught adult male. I've never seen one in person... he was pretty nice looking too!

Aubrey....If that wild caught one was the same one as the one in the Fauna ad it is bogus......And the ad said they would be at the Tinley Park show.....

The one in the Fauna ad is a 2007 Wild thayeri......

No such legal animal in the States......

The Wild thayeri were confiscated in the late 90s......The "Laredo Line."

Was the seller named Lee Richard Van Hyfte?

I believe it is an animal off of the Laredo Line produced by John Cherry, but somewhere the information was misinterpreted between John, Chris F. and this Lee Richard fella....
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John Lassiter
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That's the one! I was skeptical too, since I have never heard of anyone advertising a wild caught one. I would think that one would want to sell it quietly if it was the real deal. Though, I don't know much about the wild caught hubub, so I just gave him the benefit of the doubt. He seemed really into it, so who knows.
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Aubrey Ross

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Aubrey,

I know. That male he was saying was WC is not. That is a 2007 male I got from John Cherry and sold to Chris Flowers. Chris traded that male and some others to Lee, including two of my 2009 hatchlings he had...a male from my A clutch, and a female from my B clutch.

That particular 2007 male came from a Laredo line sire paired to a Cherryville melanistic dam. He is not WC...he is not even F1...he is just simply 50% Laredo line. He is a nice looking snake though with some cool split saddles and the melanistic mom is a bonus. Hope that clears it up.

Craig

This is a CLASSIC example of one not knowing what the hell he has......Tid bits lost in translation........
Misinterpretation of information......Unless he is purposely mis labeling the animal........But I don't know.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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John,

I agree...

It's a good thing that USFWS didn't come across that table...Under CITES vice the ESA, the "vendors" selling that WC specimen would have been escorted out in cuffs and the animal confiscated...

Anything "Mexicana" not CB with provenance, I stay away from...

Later,
Jim.
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CSRAJim

>>John,
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>>I agree...
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>>It's a good thing that USFWS didn't come across that table...Under CITES vice the ESA, the "vendors" selling that WC specimen would have been escorted out in cuffs and the animal confiscated...
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>>Anything "Mexicana" not CB with provenance, I stay away from...
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>>Later,
>>Jim.

Yep...certainly a Lacey Act and CITES violation.

Plus the guy PM'd me and told me the snake came straight from John Cherry.......Everyone knows the confiscated "Laredo Line" animals were in the late 90s (1997 I think). So if it is a 2007 animal it is certainly not a Wild Caught Laredo line animal....LOL
He is still posting away with the notion that it is a wild caught Laredo Line thayeri born in 2007....If it was wild caught how does he know it was born in 2007......LOL

Plus he speaks about an ugly girl with a kink that throws beautiful babies.....and he wants $150 for her.....Kinda funny if you ask me.......He's got a pair of cahones.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

If he is still posting it. He may just have USFWS show up at his door soon. Then he has show proof that it is not WC or be in it deep......Not only that, If I had sold or traded this animal to him, I would be worried to. That's why people, especially new ones need to buy from trusted sources. There are a lot of trusted Thayeri breeders here on this forum. Mike Bodner

or just maybe he is (or working for) usfw.

Joe,

I had the same thought as well...

Later,
Jim.
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CSRAJim

Mike,

Hey man...

Read Joe's post below...Other than ignorance, there may be another agenda here...I'm certain that KS.com is known to people that are interested in the regulation of exotic pets...

Later,
Jim.
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CSRAJim

John,

"Yep...certainly a Lacey Act and CITES violation"...After reading the book, The Lizard King, and doing some additional research - based on book information - it's an interesting study to learn just how far, the "conservationists" will go to implement a "movement" agenda...

Until the US other countries adopted CITES, there was no crime in what some of the "old timers" did...Importing foreign animals into the US...That all changed with CITES - a ratified treaty and in effect, implementation of foreign law upon US citizens - as once this international treaty became international law...It would soon become US law. CITES was the first step (as all of the "movement" legislation always is)...Step two was the modification of the Lacey Act...CITES provided the regulatory legal "framework" (as it would also be cited for the Endangered Species Act) for "movement" legislation domestically.

And look where we are now...Want to know why the Governor of Louisiana couldn't get "permission" from the federal government to construct sand bars off the coast of his own state? Do some research about the Ramsar Treaty (Wetlands)...Another example of a ratified treaty's impact upon the sovereignty of American citizens...

Thank heavens that we (the US) have NOT ratified Kyoto...Cap and Trade will destroy our economy...If you think the mortgage bubble and the bank bailouts were bad...Wait till the unregulated domestic and international speculators can manipulate the "carbon credit" commodities - right now, carbon credits are voluntary but Cap and Trade WILL make them MANDATORY by law...By definition, a commodity is an "agricultural or mining product exchanged on a market"...Well, EVERY product we use in our daily life is derived from a "commodity" (e.g. food, textiles, timber, oil, coal, gold, aluminum, etc)...And EVERY one of these commodities has a "carbon footprint" to be traded...

Wait till the speculators cause these "global markets" crash...There isn't enough money in the world to bail out these "global markets"...Which will mean they will just have to fail...

By the 1930's, German citizens were paying 450-650 MILLION marks for a loaf of bread...Workers were paid in duffle bags of worthless money...

Just my 10-cents worth...

Later,
Jim.
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CSRAJim

Yes, I was there. Picked up a female black milk, and a pair of white-sided Floridana from Mark and Kim Bell. Also found a pair of striped butter corns.
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