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I was watching the sunday night football game and all of sudden I see a bunch of movement from my adult enclosure. A bit weird since they don't move that often and when they do it's not very noticeable.

Anyway I saw a baby roaming around on top of the aspen. So I investigated a bit more and found 10 of these guys and 0 slugs.

I hadn't expected this at all. This female had been sold to me as gravid but I was told she was due in 2 months at the most. That was 5 months ago and she had lost weight the last couple months, so I figured she wasn't actually gravid.

So I have a couple questions. I seem to remember reading that I should start trying to feed them after the first or second shed? Also any other tips would be greatly appreciated.

My last question is the male was het albino and the female is p. het albino. The p. het seems to not have proved out, so what would that make these babies? Pure normals or some sort of p. hets?

thanks,
John

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1.1 Anery KSB
1.2 Snow KSB
1.2 Normal KSB
0.1 P. Albino KSB
1.0 Albino KSB
1.0 Rufescen KSB
1.1 Snow Albino King
1.0 Cali Banded King
0.1 Jungle Hypo Boa
0.1 Golden Retriever

Congrats!!! Mine usually feed after their first shed, which is typically 5-8 days after birth. I usually wait another 3-5 days after that shed to offer the first prey item. I offer the first 3-5 meals in the enclosure and then switch them to deli-cup containers for feedings.

In your photos you have them in what appears to be a very damp setup. I would move them to something drier. I keep my babies just like I keep my adults (on aspen).

Congrats and best of luck!
Chris
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Christopher E. Smith
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Captive Bred Herps
Wildlife Research & Consulting Services, LLC

Yea I put them in with a damp paper towel at first to remove any remaining birthing material. I put them in aspen a couple hours later. This morning I actually discovered a couple more this morning that had either been hiding or came out a bit later.

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1.1 Anery KSB
1.2 Snow KSB
1.2 Normal KSB
0.1 P. Albino KSB
1.0 Albino KSB
1.0 Rufescen KSB
1.1 Snow Albino King
1.0 Cali Banded King
0.1 Jungle Hypo Boa
0.1 Golden Retriever

So long as the male is definitely a het albino, the offspring are at least 50% het albino. Though unlikely, it is possible that both parents are het albino. Depending on the quality/integrity of the source of the adults, it's also possible that neither are het albino.
The easiest way (though not always practical) to determine if an unknown animal is het for a trait is simply to breed it to a homogeneous animal. There are many ways you could handle the labeling of them if you are intending to sell them, from simply calling them 50% hets, spelling out the actual factors involved, or just selling them as normals. 50% het wildtype KSBs are rarely produced, and when they are, they usually sell for standard wildtype prices, so there isn't any financial incentive in any of the above methods of labeling them. (Though a 10 animal lot of 50% het albinos will likely sell more quickly than 10 non-possible hets.)
Hope this helps cover the bases of what you were looking for. And sorry if I rambled on with things you care about.
Good luck with them. First clutches are always exciting times, especially unexpected sand boas.

The male is from a local breeder that I have dealt with a few times and is very reliable. My albino was actually produced by the same male. Thanks for the info!
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1.1 Anery KSB
1.2 Snow KSB
1.2 Normal KSB
0.1 P. Albino KSB
1.0 Albino KSB
1.0 Rufescen KSB
1.1 Snow Albino King
1.0 Cali Banded King
0.1 Jungle Hypo Boa
0.1 Golden Retriever

I think you mean "homozygous", not "homogenous"!
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Kent

0.1 Hypomelanistic striped cornsnake
1.1 Hypo (het lavender, striped) cornsnake hatchlings
2.2 Normal (het hypo, lavender, striped) cornsnake hatchlings
1.2 Gray-banded kingsnakes, blairs phase
1.1 Oregon rubber boas