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Can you say sweet. I just received 3 of Joe Bernardo's ECW hatchlings. They are just wicked looking and I love 'em already. I'm not much with the camera but I did what I could. Joe is a great guy he spent plenty of time with me via email with loads of information. I'm really looking forward to watching these guys grow up.

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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings

Grrrrr try the photo again

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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings

More pics

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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings

Thanks for the generous comments Big T. I believe we finally, for the first time in the history of breeding snakes, have a positive potential for success with this species and you and Kim, Kev53 and Jay will all be considered pioneers oneday. As a collector I get attacked alot on these forums from those that think all snakes should be left in the woods, but when I hear from you guys and my scarlet king customers I kina feel respected for what I do, and all I do is make two rare species that due to lack of breeders may have become endangered without our efforts, available to the pros, and since IMO "Large snakes don't stand a chance in the wild in Florida",(my motto) I find it is reasonably responsable to collect and propagate. I feel If I died tomorrow at least I have helped to establish quite a few bloodlines in the trade, possibly enough to sustain these two incredibly cool species, the scarlet king and the eastern coachwhip, regardless of their status in the woods. Keep em Fat Big T and keep posting. JB

I hear what you're saying about the "haters" about keeping W/C or captive hatching from W/C gravid females. Funny thing is most of them that are not so elitist about their Ball morphs, corn morphs et al forget about the hundreds of thousands of animals stripped from the wild that provided them with the stock now available. But just how many of them are doing anything to preserve the pure wild phenotypes. When I was keeping corns 10 years ago you could find lots of Miami phase, Okatees and other locality corns. Can't find many of these available anymore.

"Large snakes don't stand a chance in the wild in Florida",(my motto)

It's not just in Florida. I've done a lot of educational talks and I can't tell you how many times people would brag about the only good snake is a dead snake and how they kill any snake they see on their property. When I would tell them that one pair of mice can be responsible for producing 100,000 offspring in a year with them and their babies having babies. Then tell them how that big black rat they killed would eat nest after nest as well as the breeders they often changed their attitude. Mostly because many of them were country folk with rodent problems. Idiots.

I know with habitat encroachment and destruction, our penchant for building roads and subdivisions where there should be contiguous protected lands to preserve species many of these will soon be lost. I believe with every species lost diminishes us as a species. Watch "Swamp Loggers" sometime and how they decimate thousands of acres of prime habitat all in the name of making a buck. Not even harvesting for lumber but for pulp and never a look back at the barren wasteland they created nor a thought of replanting. Rip it and strip it then run to the next plot.

Big T puts his soapbox away. End of rant.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

Eastern coachwhips are great...I like them possibly more than the western variety, and I do have some stunning westerns in my collection right now. But, pound for pound, in terms of just straight piss and vinegar, there is nothing better than a five or six foot eastern coachwhip coming after you. They are perhaps the most fearless snake I know of, going so far as to drive animals much bigger than they are out of their territory, or in this case, their cages (me being the invading animal),
Best of luck with the little guys, I really do need to invest in some classic Florida easterns soon.

Kevin

As a kid growing up here in sarasota the parents would bring us to the beach pretty often, I only remember ever seeing 3 - 5 footers in the dunes or tall grass areas, I always thought of them as just a racers lighter colored cousin, till I was bout 30, up in manatee co. in a big field with huge brush piles and lots of dumped carpet, rats everywhere, I'm walking along and allofa sudden I look up and see a black head, 20 inches off the ground and doin mach speed, so I book it and catch up and as I approached he stopped and rose his head 4 feet off the ground and faced me at near eye level, his mouth was half open, toung pinned out, extended full length and moving up and down at the tip like a worm and it mouth was easily 3&1/2 inches from nosetip to the jaw hingepoint, thats 7 inches of teeth! the only thing missing was fangs and drool, he measured 90" and totaly changed my vision of coachwhips and now I cant say enough, like that their the new indigos.. n still cheap. the only snake more intimidating is a big EDR oa a pissed off 6' Pinesnake. JB

LMAO I have to agree it would be pretty intimidating going eye to eye with a CW that big. Even more so the EDR since they do have the fangs and venomous drool. LOL Big Pines are pretty spooky too when in strike position, mouth open and hissing like a jet engine.

BTW the kids are pissed at me. Thursday I got each of them out for some gentle handling and they all calmed down after just a few minutes. Now normally when I come into the room I see thier heads poking out of the bedding, periscoping and watching me. Last night not one head peeked out. LOL Tempremental, sheesh! Maybe today they will forgive me since it's been almost a week since they ate.

I've been keeping the daytime hot spot right at 100 with the cool end in the mid 70's with a full spectrum fluorescent. Nightime drop to about 80 on the hot side and high 60- low 70 on the cool side.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

That all sounds good big t, and worry not, I only see mine in the mornings and if their hungry they may come out around 5:-6:00 PM, which I figure is their normal daily cycle, even in the woods.

Wasn't worried. This morning I noticed one poking his head up after I turned on the hot lamp. It's blue moon glow bulb so it should have still seemed dark to him. Right now I have 3 heads poking out of the warm hide craning their necks and looking at me.

So do I try to feed them in the enclosure or pick them out and feed them in tubs? I'm thinking possibly tomorrow to try feeding if they are acting hungry enough.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

yea feed them in seperate containers, my adults and sub adults eat together and seem to respect each other when feeding but the juvies simply cant be trusted.