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dumeril's breeding

robeyeshua221 Nov 01, 2010 07:18 PM

can anyone advise as to where one might find good info concerning the process, ie. from start to finish, how it might be similar or different to breeding info for b.c.c or b.c.i - i haven't foundany quality informationout there that goes beyond very simple basics anywhere - i did find one breeder selling some videos and i don't mind paying for someone's hard work, yet i love information - i'll take anything you would have time or care to offer or again, a weblink, book source or even advice as to where to find out anything - i am least 2 years from being ready but i want to learn - i have a great pair, a second male and trying to work a deal on a female this week which, of course would put me on 2.2 - i'm asmall fish in a big pond but i'm learning - any suggestions, appreciated

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PBM Nov 04, 2010 11:58 PM

Well, they're just not that hard to breed. I keep mine seperated except during breeding, others keep them together year round, and pretty much just end up with the females eventually ovulating. I feed up until cooling, which consists mostly of my natural ambient temps going down as winter sets in. I leave the heat tape on and that's about it for cooling. This gets them down into the 70's and dipping into upper 60's. I introduce them and as they'll do almost any time of year, they start courtship and soon enough copulation. Keep them fed and healthy and you should have no problems breeding them, don't overfeed them though. Here's a tip that works for me if I want a maximum production year. I will breed 1 male to 3 females. They tend to cycle in harmony with each other and I end up with a higher fertility rate. I keep them in one cage then seperate after ovulation. This is what allowed me to figure things out as well in regards to prelay sheds as I had several females doing everything within days of each other. People dismissed it when I wrote about it on here years ago, but now I see people mention it when awaiting a litter. Generally if you have a shed prior to birth, it will be a good litter. If they drop then go into shed, you probably had a bad litter. I also do 1.1 for specific breedings, but those usually produce a slug or two. That's not much, but compared to the groups producing no slugs, it's a clear difference IMO. I don't know who's selling a video on breeding Dumerils, but it's really not necessary unless you just want to see his animals. The Reptiles article is available if you want something to read, but I didn't think it was all that educational. He keeps them together year round, pretty simple. LOL, if you'd like, I can add some big words and make it sound really tricky if that helps. When the time comes, I doubt you have any problems.

PBM Nov 05, 2010 12:09 AM

Okay, something to add, not sure I've ever mentioned it. This is how I came up with breeding in groups. YEARS ago, I read an article on Madagascar where the author found a group of gravid females together. I figured if they group together in nature, maybe there's something to it. So, I tried group breeding and it worked great. This season I did 3 breedings 1.1 and all three took. I didn't get the results I wanted, but out of the three litters, each one had atleast 1 slug, and one litter came a week early, but in doing so put her in line with the other 2 females. These babies, unlike a normal Dumerils litter, went a week before shedding and had a lot of absorbing of the yolk left to do. She had her prelay shed and everything was in order, she just dropped early. The babies lived, but for whatever reason are extremely cranky! Anyway, that's where I came up with the idea to try group breeding. Take care.

robeyeshua221 Nov 07, 2010 10:03 AM

thank you for taking time to share this infornation - not very many keepers will take time to help a "small" operator - owner - entusiast again, th'x, i have always felt that if one provides the basics - nature will take care of itself - i wanted to ask, and if you prefer not i understand, but if we could share emails so i have have a contact person for the future - i promise not to flood your inbox, or share it without permission, i won't wear you out - my email is robeyeshua221@comcast.net if you wouldn't mind

PBM Nov 08, 2010 11:37 AM

I don't mind at all, I treat this stuff a lot differently than most boa breeders, for sure. For one, I don't think breeding snakes qualifies anybody for hero status, lol. If you contact me off here, it goes to a different e-mail address. When I got laid off I went back to school so created another e-mail address to keep things seperated but now I use it most of the time and my wife uses our main one. So instead of the contact me option just send anything to woodsracer121@aol.com (it's my race number, so 121 not L 2 L). Talk to you later, take care.

vegasbilly Nov 07, 2010 08:08 PM

Can you describe to me how your Dums act immediately upon being introduced? I have a pair of Acrantophis that were in the same cage forever..I then moved them into a bigger cage and w/in an hour the male had the female in a "death coil"..no biting, just a total death grip! I separated (manually untangled)them and reintroduced them 2 hours later..same result! They've been apart since..like a month now.
I reintroduced them today just to observe..they have been off heat for 3 weeks or so and are dropping into the low 70s for now. The reaction was immediate..the female wanted no part of him and fled when he touched her..he was arching his back high against the back wall, he defecated, and was slowly following her trail.
I'm thinking the cage change coupled w/the natural decrease in temps might have triggered him a bit, but not her?? I'm curious as to how your Dums initially react.
Bill

PBM Nov 08, 2010 11:26 AM

I remember this from the thread below. I've never had any sort of violent reaction upon introductions, which was why I think I suspected you had two males before. I'd have to go back and read the thread over. Sometimes I get no immediate anything, other times there's a lot of displayed interest from the male. Tongue flicking rapidly, especially over and around the female, which usually gets the female to start cruising the cage also somewhat inspecting the male. This just turns into the male attempting to court the female usually. I could try to shoot a little vid on an introduction. It's definitely never been that dramatic. I'd say at most, there may be some bucking by the female in reaction to the spurring. Your female could just be too young and not at all receptive. This would probably cause her to flee the male. I need to go back and read the original thread, lol. You probably gave all the necessary details there.

vegasbilly Nov 08, 2010 11:42 AM

Yeah, AFTER I made this post I went back and reread your replies to my other thread. Sorry for the redundancy! You may be spot on w/the female's reaction. I'm going to divide the cage w/a big Kane heat mat on either side of the divider, cycle them and gauge their responses.

Bill

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