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Mark Kenderdine was correct on the main KS forum....LOL
Some folks are going to post Durango Mountain Kings in the Mountain King classifieds as well as the Mexicana classifieds......They do fit in both locations, don't they....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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no classification system is free from complication.

>>no classification system is free from complication.

Tell me about it....Look at the mess we are in with the names we've given reptiles.......LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

It a good post, but what is the definition of "mountain kingsnakes"?

The greer´s king has the common name "durango-mountain kingsnake" and the thayeri is called"nuevo leon ks", and don`t they both live on high elevation?

To me the greeri is a part of the mexicana group together with mexmex, thayeri and ruthveni.
But many authors have added alterna to the mexicana-group/complex???

I think that pyromelana and zonata are the "mountain-kings".

>>It a good post, but what is the definition of "mountain kingsnakes"?
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>>The greer´s king has the common name "durango-mountain kingsnake" and the thayeri is called"nuevo leon ks", and don`t they both live on high elevation?
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>>To me the greeri is a part of the mexicana group together with mexmex, thayeri and ruthveni.
>>But many authors have added alterna to the mexicana-group/complex???
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>>I think that pyromelana and zonata are the "mountain-kings".

I think all Mexicana are mountain kings really....They are at somewhat of an elevation....Even Alterna are somewhat montane.....

In my opinion True mountain kings are Zonata and Pyromelana, but Everyone considers the Durango Mountain king to be the mountain king of Mexico....Even Brian Hubbs included them in his Mountain King book. I do believe they are found at higher elevations than Mex Mex, Thayeri and Ruthveni....But....Isn't the Ruthveni now called the Plateau Mountain King? What about Webbi?
I will have to check out Bob's info on Webbi elevation now....LOL

BTW....Ruthveni are not in the Mexicana complex anymore....They are just Lampropeltis Ruthveni........And you named every snake I love to work with Michael.....haha
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John Lassiter

Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

what a mess....then it's compounded by mis-identification, and we're back to the same old system.

I can tell you that not a lot of thought went into this.

>>what a mess....then it's compounded by mis-identification, and we're back to the same old system.
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>>I can tell you that not a lot of thought went into this.

True...Colloquial and Common names confuse everything....

But if Kingsnake used Scientific names on the classifieds most of the unaware customers wouldn't know where to look for things....Only those of us that know them would.....lol
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John Lassiter

Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

well sure, but they labeled the classifieds with common names and then left the interpretation up to those same folks who may or may not know the difference.

It's clear that if you want the users to follow the system, you have to tell them what is expected, and it could be as simple as a mouse-over - Saying that this section is for alterna, greeri, thayeri, mex mex, and ruthveni.

The problem is that a single person implemented the system by themselves, and stayed up all night doing it, to the detriment of other tasks.

>>well sure, but they labeled the classifieds with common names and then left the interpretation up to those same folks who may or may not know the difference.
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>>It's clear that if you want the users to follow the system, you have to tell them what is expected, and it could be as simple as a mouse-over - Saying that this section is for alterna, greeri, thayeri, mex mex, and ruthveni.
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>>The problem is that a single person implemented the system by themselves, and stayed up all night doing it, to the detriment of other tasks.

Open the Mexicana Complex Kingsnakes Classifieds Joe....Up on the Top there's a "blurb" now that states: This section is for posting wanted and for sale advertisements for any and all color phases and morphs of Thayeri, Greeri, Mexicana and Ruthvens Kingsnakes.
And there are links to the other Lampropeltis classifieds.

I wonder if when you list an ad you chose which one or if you chose the wrong one is it moved by a moderator?

My account expired so I can't check it out until this summer when I open an account again.

They did just do this.......
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John Lassiter

Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

I really don't like the fact that KS says a normal Thayeri has a greenish gray ground color and that other colors are from Hybridization with other kingsnakes rather than mentioning line breeding.....
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John Lassiter

Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

what the hell? lol

>>what the hell? lol

Thayer's kingsnakes come in 2 color phases, one with tight alternating red,orange bands known as a "Leonis Phase", the other with broad orange/red saddles known as a "Milk Snake Phase", both on a greenish grey background. Greeri are similar in appearance, but do not have the larger saddles. Mexicana kingsnakes have an almost dark blueish gray, or dark gray green background, with deep read saddles or bands. Ruthven's kingsnakes look very similar to many Milk Snakes, with heavy red saddles on a light grey, or greenish gray background. Hybridization with other kingsnake varieties is common and has resulted in many genetic color morphs not seen in nature.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

yeah, you should write something up and give it to Cindy, ask her to replace that text, misleading at best.

>>yeah, you should write something up and give it to Cindy, ask her to replace that text, misleading at best.

I think we can live with it.....
Jeff explained it to me that the last sentence was describing all mexicana complex kings and wasn't singling out Thayeri......I don't want anyone mad at me ya know.......especially Mr. Barringer.........LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

you don't see that until you click in though, they should be able to see that from the main page.

>>you don't see that until you click in though, they should be able to see that from the main page.

Probably would be better.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...