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This evening we came home to a big surprise, although it was definitely tempered with some disappointment. We've got two big anery females (700 grams plus). One of them we've been introducing with our stripe het anery male, hoping for stripe anerys. However, the real shock was when our other female anery, who I purchased several months ago and didn't realize was gravid, gave birth today. The seller told us that that she wasn't likely gravid despite her enormous size, but I had my suspicions. She had 16 slugs, 12 still borns, and one live stripe anery! Unfortunately, there were four dead stripe anerys among them as well as a GORGEOUS stripe het anery with a beautiful orange stripe. In addition, there were 7 dead anerys. This is definitely a tough thing to go through for someone who's just starting out breeding Kenyans But it's important to remember to be thankful for what you have and look at it as a glass half full (or tub half full as it were). We've got one survivor to be thankful for, a beautiful stripe anery. It looks healthy and seems to be doing just fine. With any luck it'll make it just fine. And on top of that, we've still got another liter coming from the other big anery female and the same stripe het anery male :^).

Bummer about all the slugs/stillborns, but its great that you got a live striped anery. Photos??

-Chris
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Christopher E. Smith
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Yeah, it was really sad to see all those little guys stillborn, but the surviving stripe anery is is a beauty and seems to be doing fine. I'll try to get a photo posted this evening.

P.S. - I think that I've read that its not that uncommon for a female Kenyan's first litter do have quite a few stillborns. Is that the case or should I be looking at other factors? Thanks.

Steve

Here are some photos of the litter. Mom is doing fine, and the single new arrival seems really spunky.

First the sad part:

There were quite a few eggs that looked unfertilized as well.

Here's the good news:

Any thoughts on why this may have happened?

Steve

I wouldn't attribute the slugs/stillborns to the fact she was a first time breeder. More likely it has something to do with stress and/or environmental factors (temps, etc...). I have never had first time breeders slug out, but have had animals slug out that were a little too thin to breed, or shipped while gravid.

-Chris
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Interesting looking stripes. Are these part rufescens or are they the non-rufescens stripes?

-Chris
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Christopher E. Smith
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Hi Chris,

They're from Stripe het Anery X Anery

Does the stripe het anery have rufescens in it? (There are other non-rufescens stripe lines). Just curious.

Thanks,
-Chris
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Christopher E. Smith
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Unfortunately I don't know. The male stripe came from Eden's Pets and I don't have any info beyond that. Thanks.

Steve

it is a rufescens cross

When you say 'other non rufescen stripe' lines...are you talking about when the saddles never touch and produce a 'natural' stripe? Or is there another way to get a nice clean sand boa stripe without rufescen influence?

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Mark Huntley
Sand Boa Morphs

Sand Boa's
2.1 Rufescens
3.6 Albinos
0.1 Hypo Albino
2.1 Dodoma
1.0 Nuclear Meltdown
0.2 Flame
10.22.14 Normal (orange)
7.16 Anery
4.3 Snow
1.5 Yellow Snow
0.1 Splash Albino
1.0 Splash Anery
1.2 Orange Stripe Het Anery
1.1 High Orange Stripe
1.0 Yellow Stripe
1.3 High Orange Tiger
4.5 High Orange
1.1 Snow Paradoxes
0.1 Albino Paradoxes
1.1 Javelin Sand Boas
2.1 Rough Scales
1.1 Indian Sunsets F3

Western Hognose
12.7 Normal Hogs
3.2 Green Phase
2.2 Extreme Red het Albino

2.1 Boston Terriers
0.2 Sooners
1.3 Rhode Island Reds
0.3 Barred Rocks
0.2 Range Hens
0.1 Favorite Wives
1.1 On the fence in-laws
2.1 Rug Rats

CHECK OUT MY NEW KENYAN SAND BOA BLOG
http://sandboamorphs.blogspot.com/

WWW.SANDBOAMORPHS.COM

There are people working with "striped" kenyans (blotches don't touch) that do not have rufescens blood (to the best of our knowledge). Not quite sure how these stripes are inherited, but they tend to have a slightly different look, hard for me to describe it.

In my collection, the stripes tend to be fairly uniform in shape and do not show blotches along the edges (note the stillborn specimen in the center of this photo).

Maybe I am just seeing things, maybe it is an artifact of deluting the rufescens blood, maybe I'm just crazy... LOL.

-Chris
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Christopher E. Smith
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No matter what is going on with the parents, the anery stripe is AWESOME, congrats!!!

Can you post a photo of the striped parent? And please post more photos of the baby after it sheds.

Cheers,
-Chris
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Christopher E. Smith
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Thanks Chris. Will do. Interesting thoughts on potentially different origins on stripes. Can you post a photo showing an example of more defined margins on your stripes?

Steve

Here's Dad. Originally when we got him last September his stripe was more of an even speckling of orange. It's starting to look more "Stripe-like" now.

Steve

Here are a one of my recent creations:

I will try to remember to take photos of a couple more specimens...

-Chris
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Christopher E. Smith
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This guy has rufescen in his line? Or is this one of the 'miraculous' stripes?
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Mark Huntley
Sand Boa Morphs

Sand Boa's
2.1 Rufescens
3.6 Albinos
0.1 Hypo Albino
2.1 Dodoma
1.0 Nuclear Meltdown
0.2 Flame
10.22.14 Normal (orange)
7.16 Anery
4.3 Snow
1.5 Yellow Snow
0.1 Splash Albino
1.0 Splash Anery
1.2 Orange Stripe Het Anery
1.1 High Orange Stripe
1.0 Yellow Stripe
1.3 High Orange Tiger
4.5 High Orange
1.1 Snow Paradoxes
0.1 Albino Paradoxes
1.1 Javelin Sand Boas
2.1 Rough Scales
1.1 Indian Sunsets F3

Western Hognose
12.7 Normal Hogs
3.2 Green Phase
2.2 Extreme Red het Albino

2.1 Boston Terriers
0.2 Sooners
1.3 Rhode Island Reds
0.3 Barred Rocks
0.2 Range Hens
0.1 Favorite Wives
1.1 On the fence in-laws
2.1 Rug Rats

CHECK OUT MY NEW KENYAN SAND BOA BLOG
http://sandboamorphs.blogspot.com/

WWW.SANDBOAMORPHS.COM

This is a 50% rufescens. I don't work with the other stripe lines....

-Chris
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Christopher E. Smith
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Here is a photo (not mine) of what I believe to be non-rufescens stripes....

After looking at more rufescens stripe photos on the web, maybe the stripes do fall within 'normal' variation.

-Chris

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Christopher E. Smith
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Jeff Holloway may be able to better weigh in on this discussion. I think he has something he refers to as a 'Wide Back Stripe' that I'm unsure if a Rufescen had anything to do with. Jeff...Jeff...Jeff...you out there?
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Mark Huntley
Sand Boa Morphs

Sand Boa's
2.1 Rufescens
3.6 Albinos
0.1 Hypo Albino
2.1 Dodoma
1.0 Nuclear Meltdown
0.2 Flame
10.22.14 Normal (orange)
7.16 Anery
4.3 Snow
1.5 Yellow Snow
0.1 Splash Albino
1.0 Splash Anery
1.2 Orange Stripe Het Anery
1.1 High Orange Stripe
1.0 Yellow Stripe
1.3 High Orange Tiger
4.5 High Orange
1.1 Snow Paradoxes
0.1 Albino Paradoxes
1.1 Javelin Sand Boas
2.1 Rough Scales
1.1 Indian Sunsets F3

Western Hognose
12.7 Normal Hogs
3.2 Green Phase
2.2 Extreme Red het Albino

2.1 Boston Terriers
0.2 Sooners
1.3 Rhode Island Reds
0.3 Barred Rocks
0.2 Range Hens
0.1 Favorite Wives
1.1 On the fence in-laws
2.1 Rug Rats

CHECK OUT MY NEW KENYAN SAND BOA BLOG
http://sandboamorphs.blogspot.com/

WWW.SANDBOAMORPHS.COM

Yeah, Jeff has a striped specimen on his website that I think is independent of rufescens.

-Chris
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Christopher E. Smith
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