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Hi, I'm coming from a Columbian background that has a growing number of morphs all the time. But I was just wondering about the Dumeril Boa. I know they have some high pink Dumerils, but are there currently many other variations, or on coming on the horizon?

Only truely proven morph of Dums is the T or Caramel Albino. They are only found in Europe.

Also, call this a shameless plug , but check the March 2011 issue of REPTILES the feature article is about Dumerils Boas.
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Pat Higdon - Higdons Herps, Tuttle, Oklahoma USA
Oklahoma City Herpetological Society Member
4 dumerils boas, 2 rosy boas, 3 burmese pythons, 1 reticulated python, 1 ball pythons, 3 borneo pythons, 10 bearded dragons, 6 leopard geckos, 4 african fat-tail geckos & 1 sulcata tortoise

Sorry that shoulda been T Positive Albino
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Pat Higdon - Higdons Herps, Tuttle, Oklahoma USA
Oklahoma City Herpetological Society Member
4 dumerils boas, 2 rosy boas, 3 burmese pythons, 1 reticulated python, 1 ball pythons, 3 borneo pythons, 10 bearded dragons, 6 leopard geckos, 4 african fat-tail geckos & 1 sulcata tortoise

The main reason you don't see many Dumerils Morphs is because they were only exported from Madagascar for a relatively short period of time. Because of that, most of the animals that are available have a fairly limited gene pool. Dumerils Boas are fantastic snakes, and I'd love to see more morphs also, but we're pretty much stuck with what's already out there.

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Paul D

www.MoonlightBoas.com

Really, let's kick this idea around a little bit. There are several ball morphs that for all intents and purposes, look pretty normal. For some reason, ball keepers fill their rooms with racks holding up to 30 adults per rack. They have a LOT of animals to play around with. They're also studying every aspect of an animals "look" trying to find the next morph. There are not many people WORKING with Dumerils. So, looking at the dark female I just posted. Color wise, you could compare to a chocolate ball. You take away normal coloring, you get a pretty blah looking animal, but when they combine the chocolates with things like pinstripes, they start making some pretty wicked animals. Yellow bellies? Are you kidding me, I have some and how normal do they look? Who is studying belly coloration on their Dumerils? I am, but really how hard are we looking at these animals and working toward putting two animals with these subtle differences together. Most people just buy a Dumerils or two, and take what they get. Very few are extremely picky in what they're picking up and in the end with what they're breeding. So, maybe we have some hidden treasures we just haven't happened across yet. Maybe there isn't anything though, and we're just stuck with normal Dumerils. I'd have no problem with that at all. Morphs will just bring outsiders in looking to make money off something they had no interest in up until that point. So, do the next best thing and breed the best you can to make animals that stand out on their own.

I knew you'd come around to my way of thinking eventually, Paul. It would be very healthy for the Dumerils community to be more open minded to yet undescribed phases or morphs that lack refinement. Love those Pinson line boas... great color.

Matt Schubarth

Thanks for the comment on the Pinson lines, but to be honest I'm in a bad mood as it is, and I'm not sure how to take your reply so I'm just going to flow with it right now. Last I remember you were pretty insulting toward some of my animals and myself, so...

I remember you calling me someones wife...."your wife has a voice (PBM)" Check the archives if you don't recall this statement. I believe it would be 04/05. So, since I've done selective breeding since the get go, I don't believe I have come around to YOUR way of thinking.

Those Pinson's just looked like good candidates for pastel genetics. As I understand it your relationship between Jason has imploded and to be honest he instigated most of the negativity. A lot of the comments made from both sides five years ago were inappropriate but I thought all of that was behind us and a bit stale. I don’t know about you but all I’m interested in seeing here are really nice Dumerils and I’ve said as much in the last few years. Would love to see any f2’s you have produced, with 30 something Dumerils you have to have some real lookers in there.
My 2004’s slugged last year but my 2006’s look like as least one took and it’s all in house. I have an amazing male(crazy red phase) I purchased from Bob Gueirro (Ancient Reproductions) and he just finished mating with my original female posted below so hopefully starting April I’ll have some current event stuff to post.

Take Care-
Matt Schubarth

As that was really the last we had spoken, and it was never resolved, so like I said I wasn't sure how to take the reply. As far as Jason, yeah he's a POS. The thing was, we both had animals from the same source with the same genetics, so what was true for me held true for him at the time. Now that he's placed the hypo into my freezer for me it's pretty clear where that puts him in my eyes. So, should we consider this resolved? I don't have a problem letting resolved issues go, as long as they actually get resolved. Again thanks for the comments on the Pinsons, good luck with your female.

>>I knew you'd come around to my way of thinking eventually, Paul. It would be very healthy for the Dumerils community to be more open minded to yet undescribed phases or morphs that lack refinement. Love those Pinson line boas... great color.
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>>Matt Schubarth
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Where can you find Pinson line dums? I'd really love to get a hold of one for my collection.

From Tom's adult pair, it will just be whatever I'm able to produce. I have no plans to breed her this year though at this point. As far as the others I had bought from Tom before he passed away, those will not be bred this season for sure. So, in all honesty, 2012 will probably be the earliest they're available. The younger animals will be bred wherever I think they'll produce the nicest babies, but I plan on only breeding the original adults with each other as Tom would've done himself, to keep a "pure pinson" line going. Also, anyone that has e-mailed about them already will get first chance if/when any become available. Thanks for your interest in them.

AWESOME!!!!
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Pat Higdon - Higdons Herps, Tuttle, Oklahoma USA
Oklahoma City Herpetological Society Member
4 dumerils boas, 2 rosy boas, 3 burmese pythons, 1 reticulated python, 1 ball pythons, 3 borneo pythons, 10 bearded dragons, 6 leopard geckos, 4 african fat-tail geckos & 1 sulcata tortoise

I think it would be awesome if there were proven genetic muts of Dums and we didn't realize it. The Pinson line Dums, IN MY OWN OPINION, definetly stand out from the rest.

Paul, what do the Pinsons look like when crossed with an average lookin Dum???
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Pat Higdon - Higdons Herps, Tuttle, Oklahoma USA
Oklahoma City Herpetological Society Member
4 dumerils boas, 2 rosy boas, 3 burmese pythons, 1 reticulated python, 1 ball pythons, 3 borneo pythons, 10 bearded dragons, 6 leopard geckos, 4 african fat-tail geckos & 1 sulcata tortoise

Pat, I wish I knew lol. I could still put the adult male with a female or two this season and see if I can get a little insight. I'll try to get a pic of him after he sheds. Just looking at him, he has a weird look-faded or something, but not a ton of color. Put with the female though, they produce some great babies. It's probably sounds stupid but until just now I really didn't even think about putting him with anyone else, lol. Did you get our conversation on Sunday taken care of? Interested to know how that turned out and hoping it went well.

Warm water soak didn't seem to do anything but make her mad. I left her in for about 2hrs, and then rubbed on her for a while. I guess I will give the ole vet a shout and see what he thinks.
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Pat Higdon - Higdons Herps, Tuttle, Oklahoma USA
Oklahoma City Herpetological Society Member
4 dumerils boas, 2 rosy boas, 3 burmese pythons, 1 reticulated python, 1 ball pythons, 3 borneo pythons, 10 bearded dragons, 6 leopard geckos, 4 african fat-tail geckos & 1 sulcata tortoise

Hey,Just in the last few years I've started to notice some very different looking animals.I also understand their breeding these guys in Madagascar and heavily in south Africa,wich is not that far away.My guess is these snakes are still being smuggled in and out of all sorts of countries including this one,Europe and Indonesia.I have read reports of birth defects here in the states of snakes being born with messed up tounges-from inbreeding,but this has not been prooven.And of course the whole white patch under the chin.I wish Bill Love would take an under the chin shot of a Dumerils next time he's over there.In the end I'm almost posative we'll see an array of morphs {enuf to rival any other species} including white albinos.I've spoken to several people who are on it.just my thoughts-Thanks jenni/