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Has anyone figured out how the Splash genes work yet?
Thanks
Mark

Ask Holloway....he'll prove it out 'or not' this year. I believe and many others believe that due to the Bell's ability to reproduce them and the quantities we've seen that it must be genetic. They haven't said for sure....

What was the message princess laya recorded with R2-D2?
'Helpu us Jeff Holloway, your our only hope!'
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Mark Huntley
Sand Boa Morphs

Sand Boa's
3.2 Rufescens
6.7 Albinos
0.1 Hypo Albino
2.1 Dodoma
1.1 Nuclear
1.0 Nuclear Meltdown
2.6 Flame
10.22 Normals including hets
7.16 Anery
5.7 Snow
2.2 Yellow Snow
0.1 Splash Albino
1.0 Splash Anery
1.0 Orange Stripe Het Anery
1.0 High Orange Stripe
1.3 High Orange Tiger
4.5 High Orange
1.3 Snow Paradoxes
3.4 Albino Paradoxes
1.1 Javelin Sand Boas
1.2 Indian Sunsets F2-F3

Western Hognose
0.4 Regulars
1.2 Green Phase
2.2 Extreme Red het Albino

2.1 Boston Terriers
0.2 Sooners
1.3 Rhode Island Reds
0.3 Barred Rocks
0.2 Range Hens
0.1 Favorite Wives
1.1 On the fence in-laws
2.1 Rug Rats

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I have never bred splash to splash but from what I've heard, a splash to splash does not produce all splash babies. I have not heard what the % of babies in these breedings were. I have bred splash male to his own offspring and produced a few splash babies but no where near what the odds should be for a homoz to het breeding. I should add that so far I have not had a splash baby survive more than two months. I do not think this is a link to any gene, just bad luck.
I hope that the breedings I've done and been told about were scued somehow, but I'm not holding out a tremendous amount of hope just due to my own observations over the last four years.
Four breedings of splash to het with a total of four splash babies in litters totaling over 60 babies.
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Steve Perry
North Idaho.

So we're thinking multiple genes at work? Kind of like yellow snows?
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Mark Huntley
Sand Boa Morphs

Sand Boa's
3.2 Rufescens
6.7 Albinos
0.1 Hypo Albino
2.1 Dodoma
1.1 Nuclear
1.0 Nuclear Meltdown
2.6 Flame
10.22 Normals including hets
7.16 Anery
5.7 Snow
2.2 Yellow Snow
0.1 Splash Albino
1.0 Splash Anery
1.0 Orange Stripe Het Anery
1.0 High Orange Stripe
1.3 High Orange Tiger
4.5 High Orange
1.3 Snow Paradoxes
3.4 Albino Paradoxes
1.1 Javelin Sand Boas
1.2 Indian Sunsets F2-F3

Western Hognose
0.4 Regulars
1.2 Green Phase
2.2 Extreme Red het Albino

2.1 Boston Terriers
0.2 Sooners
1.3 Rhode Island Reds
0.3 Barred Rocks
0.2 Range Hens
0.1 Favorite Wives
1.1 On the fence in-laws
2.1 Rug Rats

CHECK OUT MY NEW KENYAN SAND BOA BLOG
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Steve how did the other babies thrive that weren't splash's? Was it just them that didn't make it?
Thanks a lot
Mark

Some of the others did fine and others did not.
Overall I would say that each of these litters were poor. Usually a litter of ksb is quite healthy and maybe only a few will be still born or slugs. One of the splashs I produced was an extremely high white axanthic that was born fully developed, big still born. This female seems to have a little trouble during birth and it has taken her over 10 hrs to complete delivery. Last year she dropped only a 8 or so babies and retained the rest. I was albe to massage a few more out over the next few weeks. She was really slow to get back to feeding and has still not made it back to normal. A week or so ago she passed a few nasty looking slugs. I'm hoping that as she feeds more and more that she will be able to pass any thing else and hopefully get her back in good condition.

Mark, I hope to see somthing more come of these but what I have heard and seen myself gives me clues that they are not a simple recesive or co-dom trait, it seems more like an incomplete gene that occurs on more of a random occurrance. As far as I know the ringer morph of ball python was never proven either, along with many traits of many species.
No matter what, they are awsome animals that I will continue to try for, and you never know when the animal is produced that may have a more complete mutation.
This is of course just my opinion.

Steve
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Steve Perry
North Idaho.

Steve is you don't mind, I know a lot of us would love the following information as we all power feed our splashes and het splashes trying to catch up....

How many potential splash litters have you bred?

How many babies in the litters including slugs and still borns were the litters?

How many splashes have you produced?

What was the morph of the splashes and the quality of the splash?

Question for you and those of you who work closely with Kenyans.... Is it possible that the splash 'morph' is some sort of a extreme reduced patterned Kenyan?

I ask because I see super reduced patterened anery's that resemble the 'splash' pretty often. I also see dodoma cross babies whose saddles disappear for in areas around the tail like a splash. If these patternes were the same on a snow it would appear splashesh for sure.

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Mark Huntley
Sand Boa Morphs

Sand Boa's
3.2 Rufescens
6.7 Albinos
0.1 Hypo Albino
2.1 Dodoma
1.1 Nuclear
1.0 Nuclear Meltdown
2.6 Flame
10.22 Normals including hets
7.16 Anery
5.7 Snow
2.2 Yellow Snow
0.1 Splash Albino
1.0 Splash Anery
1.0 Orange Stripe Het Anery
1.0 High Orange Stripe
1.3 High Orange Tiger
4.5 High Orange
1.3 Snow Paradoxes
3.4 Albino Paradoxes
1.1 Javelin Sand Boas
1.2 Indian Sunsets F2-F3

Western Hognose
0.4 Regulars
1.2 Green Phase
2.2 Extreme Red het Albino

2.1 Boston Terriers
0.2 Sooners
1.3 Rhode Island Reds
0.3 Barred Rocks
0.2 Range Hens
0.1 Favorite Wives
1.1 On the fence in-laws
2.1 Rug Rats

CHECK OUT MY NEW KENYAN SAND BOA BLOG
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I have bred this one female to the splash male(her father)four or five times and have produced four splash babies that I could recognise. I have bred this same male to several other females of his decent that have never produced a splash. Some babies could have been but teyt were still born and looked pretty bad by the time I found them.
I have also sent a couple of pairs of his offspring to my fathers and he produced one last year with a really jacked up tail. This baby lived longer than most but still would not eat and died. I'm not sure she could have bred anyway due to her tail problem. I have heard that the Bells animals have been fine at birth and I suspect that the issue is with the female and not the young.
Mark, I'm not sure what you mean with the " what morph" question.

It could be that the splash is a visible het for a totalydifferent trait also. I don't know how many breedings have been done by the Bells, but if it has been alot then we would have seen the "super" by now. Also, a co-dom type trait would simply produce more splash babies in a litter.
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Steve Perry
North Idaho.

I meant what type of splash morphs were you breeding, anery splash, albino splash, snow splash, etc.

Great info.
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Mark Huntley
Sand Boa Morphs

Sand Boa's
3.2 Rufescens
6.7 Albinos
0.1 Hypo Albino
2.1 Dodoma
1.1 Nuclear
1.0 Nuclear Meltdown
2.6 Flame
10.22 Normals including hets
7.16 Anery
5.7 Snow
2.2 Yellow Snow
0.1 Splash Albino
1.0 Splash Anery
1.0 Orange Stripe Het Anery
1.0 High Orange Stripe
1.3 High Orange Tiger
4.5 High Orange
1.3 Snow Paradoxes
3.4 Albino Paradoxes
1.1 Javelin Sand Boas
1.2 Indian Sunsets F2-F3

Western Hognose
0.4 Regulars
1.2 Green Phase
2.2 Extreme Red het Albino

2.1 Boston Terriers
0.2 Sooners
1.3 Rhode Island Reds
0.3 Barred Rocks
0.2 Range Hens
0.1 Favorite Wives
1.1 On the fence in-laws
2.1 Rug Rats

CHECK OUT MY NEW KENYAN SAND BOA BLOG
http://sandboamorphs.blogspot.com/

WWW.SANDBOAMORPHS.COM

Lol That makes sense.
It is a male normal/splash
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Steve Perry
North Idaho.

Thanks Steve thats really interesting. Id love to hear from others working with them as well and see how they're making out with them.
Mark