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Hi everyone, I am currently keeping several Ball Pythons in a Rack system, and they are doing very well. I have had several different style cages in the past, but once I converted over to a Rack System with tubs I think I really got spoiled with the ease of cleaning.

But I would like to get a Male Dumeril, and I know that the Dumeril gets larger as an adult than the Ball Pythons. So my question is, has anyone out there ever been able to keep an adult male Dumeril in a Rack System using tubs? If so, what Rack System did you use, such as who made it, and what size.

Or if I was to start a Dumeril out in a Rack System, how long could I expect to keep a Dumeril in a Rack System?

Or don't the Dumerils do well in any Racks?

Thanks to anyone that answers...

As long as they have a meal in their stomach and something warm to rest on,my dumerils don't seem to care where they are.I think lots of the guys on here do use (and build) racks.Ask them about keeping ball pythons and larger dumerils together.jenni/

Keeping them with balls? Oh, that's the foundation of herpetology. Put different species together, let one kill the other, then write a paper about it! Good stuff right there buddy. LOL, yeah you can keep Dumerils in a rack system. Some will eventually outgrow most racks if you end up with animals from a bigger line. However, I have some adult females that have bred inside a 28qt. tub with plenty of room. Something along the lines of a CB70 would be more adequate most of the time however. For more info on the ball/dumerils reference scroll the forum and you'll find it. Basically-dumerils killed ball, owner took out ball but put it back in to see if the dumerils would eat it. The dumerils did eat it, but then regurged. Then he claimed to be the be all end all of reptile keepers, justifying the behavior by pointing fingers at other "big" (yet not named) keepers that do the same thing "all the time". That old song and dance. Enjoy if you look for it. PEACE!

I hope you don't think I was going to put Dumerils in with Ball Pythons. Right now I have Ball Pythons in a Rack System, but the Racks I have now are pretty much full and too small for a full grown Male dumeril. I was just wondering if a Male Dumeril Adult would be content in a large Rack System, and if so which Rack System would it be, because that's what I would look for to buy.

If the Rack System is Not the way to go, then I would look into gettting a AP, or Boaphile style 4 x 2 x 2.

Thanks...

No, I didn't think that at all. I have quite a few Dumerils in an AP cb70 rack now. OH, here's a thought though-JUST happened so here's an issue I found if you go with AP's economy racks. I have pics on my phone if anyone really needs to see what I'm talking about. I tossed in a rat and instead of constricting one of my female dumerils decided to just press the rat against the side of the tub. Well, that's fine but she pushed the side of the tub out past the edge of the racks shelf, eventually pushing the rat entirely out of the tub. It made it obvious there is the potential for problems there and I do need to send AP a note in case they hadn't heard of this. So, yeah rack system til they outgrow it, if they will...then an AP (or whichever) 4' cage and you should be set. Good luck with the Dumerils, they're a little more ineresting captives imo.

I hope you guys don't mind me chimeing in. But a question on this is that I think should be raised is, Are Dumerils carriers for IBD, I would think this would also be a good reason not to mix boas and pythons in the same rack. I don't even like to risk keeping mine together in the same room.

The herp. society here is asking people here to send in their mites.They are doing research in Florida to see if mites carry I.B.D. Personally I doubt it-that would be like getting Aids from a mosquito.Still I dont think you should keep dumerils and balls in the same rack.

I was wondering if Dumerils could do well in a Rack System. Then it morphed into a question about putting Dumerils in the same rack system as the Ball Pythons. I did state that my Rack System now is not only too small for a Dumeril, but full.

I had asked can a Dumeril do well in a Rack, if so what make and size Rack, I should invest in. If not then I would just invest in a PVC Style cage.

Thanks...

PVC plastic products outgas poisons,Polyvinyl Chloride products also contain mercury,dioxins,lead and phthalates.This is made much worse by heating it ( i.e.heat tape or pads,rocks )or getting it wet.It's bad for people and animals.

LOL, that's funny! No, I was not talking about the Plasticized PVC, but rather the Closed Cell PVC that is currently being used by quite a few Reptile Cage makers. Besides I wasn't planning on heating it up so much as to cook snakes. LMAO.

At this point, I'm not even too sure if I should even ask the "Original" question for a third time, if anyone ever housed an Adult Male Dumeril in a large Rack System.

I did see a large Rack, four drawers high that may be close, but I think I will just end up getting a 4’ PVC Cage. So I no longer need an answer. I am just trying to prevent this "Original" question from being senselessly Hi Jacked again.

Thanks...

Hey Bandit, If you go on you-tube and type (moluccan female taking food .3gp) it shows-what looks to be - the right sized droor rack,and a real nice python.

Thanks...

From my FIRST REPLY

LOL, yeah you can keep Dumerils in a rack system. Some will eventually outgrow most racks if you end up with animals from a bigger line. However, I have some adult females that have bred inside a 28qt. tub with plenty of room. Something along the lines of a CB70 would be more adequate most of the time however.

What else did you need to know? How many drawers you need in the rack system? Which brand? I believe I mentioned that as well prior to your hissy fit. I know I mentioned AP, and even noted a negative aspect of the "economy" style. You said you keep balls in racks, I assumed you knew what a CB70 tub was as that's pretty much the staple of ball python collections. So, sorry other things were said among your question, but had you bothered to read them, the answers were there as well. Thanks for slapping our hands for trying to help though. I'll definitely keep it in mind.

Wow dude are you sensitive. No one slapped your hands, and seeing a guy use the word “hissy” (LMAO) was well worth re-asking the question. But I wasn’t even really referring to your post because it didn’t make any sense and had nothing to do with my original post. The only part of the statement you made that had anything to do with my post was ironically the part that you reposted in your last posting on April 26th, at 1:44. Kind of like selective repeating of a post, you left out all your insignificant ramblings about some owner that wanted to see if Dumerils would eat a Ball Python. Where the frick did that come from, to answer if Dumerils do well in Racks. Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha… What a Jamoke! You’re making it sound like Dumerils and Balls will be together.

If you had put all that other nonsense in another posting I would have been interested in it, and read it, and maybe even commented on it, IF IT WAS IN ANOTHER POSTING, but it just happened to be in a posting that asked if “Dumerils do well in a Rack System”, and what kind. Yes, I have heard of the CB70 racks because I am looking at four of them.

I guess this is my fault for not keeping it simple, maybe I will try a repost, but just simplified. I apologize to anyone who had to sit through these ramblings.

Thanks, I am looking at an ARS…

Sorry I said hissy, if I didn't have to keep it clean for TOS reasons, I would've said something entirely different. E-mail me if you'd like to hear it. Here's the deal wise a$$. If you had read the first reply, then my reply to that, you would've had A-YOUR STUPID ANSWER and B-known what we were talking about. Then I wouldn't have had to read more of YOUR rambling/whining about having to re-ask your question for a THIRD time because you are too self involved to read anyone elses ramblings to get the answer....the FIRST time. I don't care a bit if you would've commented on anything, but if you come into a public forum, don't have a HISSY FIT if people say things that aren't absolutely specific to your question. It's funny how you think your ramblings are worthy but nobody else has a right to say anything in YOUR THREAD. I couldn't give a rats a$$ about your ball pythons or your 4 racks you're looking at right now. I still read your ramblings to get to your question. Why didn' YOU write this-

"Can Dumerils do well in a rack?"

Did anyone need to read about your vast experience with ball pythons for you to ask that question? And pointing out the time of my post? I have a second shift job, that a problem? Also, quoting the specific answer wasn't "kind of like", it was EXACTLY selective so you would bother to read it you squirrel. Like leading the blind!

Want to know what the rambling were about, read them. You know what, I told you what to do if you wanted to know what we were talking about. Your reply was solely based around my first sentence.....dude you don't think i'm going to keep them together do you, or some crap like that.

SO, in the future-if you're going to whine about people not answering your "original" question the first time. Make sure you actually took the time to read the replies as people took the time to read your post. Self involved little...........E-mail
me!

By the way, jamoke was way cool. What's it like having 4 racks to look at right now? I think I'd have a lot less work to do if that's all I had to look at. Must be nice. Yeah, that's my smart a$$ way of saying-not impressed by your 4 racks, I hope that wasn't an attempt to make me think you're the man???

ARS, nice racks, enjoy!

Wow, chill out Kid... Check your Meds, or Maturity level. LMAO. I hope everyone here is laughing as hard as I am at your meltdown Kid. You went from Rambling, to Ranting, Ha, Ha, Ha...

Seriously Kid, go get some help.

P.S. Kid, I forgot more this morning about Herping than you have knowledge about.

But Thanks for trying so hard Kid.

KID? That's seriously funny sh#t right there! ESPECIALLY from the EXPERT that apparently forgot if you could keep a Dumerils in a rack system. You got me buddy, I'm a kid. If me telling you to learn how to read is a rant, then I guess that's what it is. If you don't want to hear it, don't fail to read a reply in its entirety, then cry about nobody answering your question-which by the looks of it, you already knew, since you have forgotten more than I'll ever know about herps. Why don't you stop pretending? I hope people laugh as well, at my rant, and at your bs statement of your expertise. I hate to say I'm done, cause it always reads like bs, but I'm seriously done. I give up-You are a gift to the herp society and your knowledge is vastly superior to any of ours in this simple little Dumerils forum. If I ever see you ask a newb question, I'm going to jump all over you like stink on (what's a good safe word to use in it's place, hmmm) a bandit! GFY, have a nice day!

Wow Kid, you really take a lot of time and thought into this....Ha, Ha, Ha... Guess someone got the better of you (me)...LMAO... It's very flattering that I mean this much to you that you constantly seem to feel the need to explain yourself to me, and very humbling that I got the best of you which you prove every time you go off on a boring rant....Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha.

But really Kid, no need to keep trying to win me over.

Bye!

But I would like to get a Male Dumeril, and I know that the Dumeril gets larger as an adult than the Ball Pythons. So my question is, has anyone out there ever been able to keep an adult male Dumeril in a Rack System using tubs? If so, what Rack System did you use, such as who made it, and what size.

Yes. Animal Plastics (AP) 10 high holding Iris CB70 tubs

Or if I was to start a Dumeril out in a Rack System, how long could I expect to keep a Dumeril in a Rack System?

Until it outgrew it.

Or don't the Dumerils do well in any Racks?

They do just fine.

Better? I'll apologize, I'm knowingly in a bad mood, but seriously if you can't take the time to read a reply, I know I won't take the time to read your questions in the future. You had an entire paragraph of fluff prior to this paragraph I quoted, yet I took the time to read it as did others. Then you get an attitude? AWESOME!!!

No prob Kid, we can keep it simplified for those who need it, I will even type slow for you.

Apparently YOU need it....see your previous replies where you failed to comprehend the answers. KID? You're killing me with this. First off, I know kids you would be insulting too with your lack of knowledge. Second, attempting to insult someone on their age (if you really assume I'm young) is prety ignorant. I can assure you there are kids that could surpass my knowledge and the little bit you contribute. So, I hope some 14 year old (probably one of your classmates) comes here and puts you to shame. I think it would be pretty simple. I know my 3 kids could've answered your question. Do I need to slow down for you any more? Again, GFY, have a nice day!

Wow, apparently you really like me Kid. You keep wanting to talk to me, I am very flattered, but I really prefer having conversations with interesting knowledgeable people. But maybe you can stalk and admire someone else Kid. I think it’s time for you to run along now, and have a Forum Crush on someone else Kid.

Bye…………..

I'm sad to see you would rather talk crap than amuse me with weak attempts to show me how knowledgeable you truly are. I'm heartbroken, truly I am. My new goal in life is to grow up to be a fake pos just like you. What's it like being a big man behind a keyboard? Do you feel like it's almost real and you'd love a chance to say this to my face....because I know you would if you had the chance. I'm such a silly kid, cause I'd give you the opportunity if you truly wanted it. I believe you click the contact me link, but otherwise you can just send your request to woodsracer121@aol.com and I'll give you my traveling schedule. OH CRAP, my teachers coming, I gotta go. LOVE YA!!! Bye and remember...since nobody else will-GFY!

You're boring Kid.

*Yawn*

Really, go find some other guy to have a Cyber Crush on.

Just back up a single thing you've stated. You know so much more, prove it. Stop trying to be cute and back your mouth up for once. The KID comment is just retarded, the cyber stalker comments are just crying for attention, and in all of this you haven't once said anything of value. You were informed that you failed to read replies before CRYING about not getting an answer (though you have forgotten more than I know) and since then you've just tried to be a little wise a$$. So, back up your rhetoric or just go away already. If you want to run your mouth, do it to my face. If you want help stop acting like you run the show when it comes to how people reply to your questions. Attack the regulars on the forum......great way to make an entrance. Glance around the forum, see how many "regulars" there are in here. You're down to maybe 4 that will help you, cause this one isn't. See ya around!

Sorry, I was logged in under my e-mail account to send you an e-mail. Tried to phase into that name after my kids were getting tons of e-mails to our "family" e-mail so we all got our own. ANYWHO.....LMAO, second shift allows me bored time at night, so I looked at some of your other threads. WOW, you talk big game for having very little! Can I keep a cage in my basement, what type of cage for two males? That seemed to indicate they would be kept together. What type of Dumerils morphs are there? I'm not making fun of your questions on their own merit. I'm making fun of you talking smack when it's pretty obvious you don't know jack! I saw you commented on a motley boa. They're nice for sure. Not that it means squat, but I was the fourth to produce super motleys, so it's not like I'm at the point of needing to know if I can keep a cage in my basement. Make sense Lassie? Maybe that was just one of the things you have forgotten? I don't judge people on what they keep or what they know-until they try to put on like a bigshot! Money can buy you a collection to envy, knowledge will allow you to breed what you buy. Keep in mind there are people out there with NO animals that know more than either of us put together. Settle yourself down a little bit kiddo!

Yeah Kid, I asked those questions, sorry if I wasn’t supposed to, I didn’t know that. My fault. I don’t know that much about them but trying to learn, that’s all kid.

But one thing you really did prove me right on this latest post, you really are my Number One Cyber Stalker. Thanks for being that interested in me, and spending that much time on me, but I think my wife may be getting a little jealous here.

But anyways, I had a good friend of ours that is Gay read how you’re following and stalking my posts, and he definitely says his Gadar is up on his feeling about you. Especially how you use words like “Hissy”, and write the word “A$$” with Dollar signs. He believes you have a Cyber Crush on me. LOL.

But I think my friend is wrong, and I thought you are acting this way more because you’re desperately looking for a Father Figure. Your Daddy probably wasn’t either around too much, or just not a good person, and you’re just trying to fill a void. But that’s just my guess.

But which ever one of us is right, you don’t need to tell us, but just run along Kid, and either pick another guy, or get a hobby.

Thanks Kid, have a good night… Nice knowing ya Kid

You like to taunt people don't you? Your gay friend? I'm happy to hear you're married, sort of indicates you're of legal age, so I can't wait to run into you. SO, you have a gay friend, but you're trying to accuse me of being gay to piss me off? Sorry, I'm a little more secure than that. Of course, you call yourself Lassie, so maybe you are your gay friend??? If your punk a$$$$$$$$$$ would just reply to my e-mail I wouldn't have to sensor anything would I KID. OH BOY, you called me KID, like every other word. You're an idiot. E-mail me back mouth or just stfu!

Man, I forgot you need it straight, slow, and to the point-
If you want to keep running your mouth, reply to my e-mail.

It's too bad that you think "Gay" is derogative, or used to make someone mad. Once that was said just in passing you had to come back with "Taunt", "Accuse", "Piss Me Off", "More Secure", "Lassie". Close Minded People will just never get over their hang ups, (or is it just denial).

Sounds to me like your marriage (if you’re even still married) and those little girls are nothing more than a ploy to prove you are straight.

Really Kid, you don't have to keep stalking my post. Keep looking for some other Sugar Daddy Kid; I am sure you will find one.

QUIT CYBER STALKING ME, AND END YOUR CYPER CRUSH ON ME!!!

Wow Kid, you’re still trying to badger people? I think you probably just need a little Anger Management Kid, and you should be just fine. Not sure what you want me to prove that I said Kid, just replying to your rants that you leave on my posts, like this one Kid.

As far as Attacking Regulars on the forum… LOL, once again Kid, just replying to my number one Cyber Stalker (you… LMAO), that’s all Kid.

Oh,that was supposed to be you-tube(moluccans .3gp) see also (Dandy Warhols-smoke-it )video with dogs.jenni/

Almost every time I've posted on the forums I've angered the forum gods. Apparently you aren't allowed to ask questions they think you should already know the answers to, and you should never ever have an opinion of your own, or post something that is not fawning over one of their projects (or something they said). I'm not sure why they think that's the way to help people, or promote use of a forum they like to frequent.
A Dumerils would likely do well in a system used for larger boa constrictors, and perhaps you would actually get better answers on that forum, as to which brands people prefer and why. I've read on this and other forums (postings by "expert breeders"that boas (snakes in general) should not be housed in aquaria. It is my caging of choice for boa constrictors. I have plenty of room so I do not require things to be in racks, but have thought about building my own aquaria racks (shelves really). My entire reptile room is humidity and light regulated instead of individual cages, and cages have under-tank heaters or other heat when required. There's ample natural lighting through large windows, plus lighting on timers, etc. I feel that natural lighting allowed through clear caging enhances breeding efforts, particularly with species having more stringent cycling requirements. I rarely have escape issues, and it's simple to sanitize/eradicate parasites, little extra lighting is needed, and although I use these deplorable conditions (as I've heard others describe this type of caging) I am very successful at getting litters born...even as compared to many experts. Part of my point being that there can actually be more than one opinion that is correct, and bring you to your objective. If something works for you, why should you listen to other people telling you something else. And, if you don't experiment a little how will you learn anything new?