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just a note to all who work with mountain racers out there. i've seen it in coxi babies of two very well known breeders of this ssp. they're not as apparent as baby spider balls with wobbler symptoms but they definitely have an abnormal head wobble. i have not seen it in the latacintus yet or heard of anybody who's seen it (please post if you have). this may just be due to the latacintus coming into this country a couple years after the coxi. moral of this story is that mountain racers do not take to inbreeding/line breeding very well. i keep very detailed records on my breeding lats/coxi to make sure they are as genetic diverse as possible.

Johnnic

As the largest breeder of coxi that I know of, this is news to me. We have worked with coxi for over 12 years now and I have not seen an "abnormal head wobble" in a single baby or adult. With the numbers we have hatched I have seen the normal types of defects (but never in big numbers), spine kinks, super tiny babies, short lower jaw, etc but never a head wobble.

Could you tell me more about this? In your post, you say coxi babies. I'm guessing that means more than two snakes? How many have you seen like this? How old were the snakes? Was there anything else about those snakes you saw as weird? Were the snakes kept too hot? Too wet? Too dry?

Have you bred your coxi? You are making claims about snakes that others produce (but you don't name names) yet you somehow say that you are better then them because you keep "very detailed records". Ok. Almost every c.h. coxi in the world came from one line started in Europe. There is a 99.999% chance that YOUR coxi are from this same line! Coxi don't take "inbreeding/line breeding" very well? Again, I have produced quite a few coxi over the years, I've never seen any thing that would indicate any validity to your line of logic. I'm not trying to attack you but you can't post random thoughts based on a lack of facts.

I'd love to hear your reply. Thanks.

Chad

hi chad,

what facts are you looking for? do you want me to publicly state names of breeders on this forum and pictures? i think that would be very inappropriate. i know most of the lines of coxi came from a handful of animals originating from europe. i simply stated that i have seen the wobbler issue in coxi. a personal friend had bred siblings and had this issue. i have seen it in another friend's coxi after he purchased a large group of coxi babies from a breeder. i never stated my line is better than anyone else's line out there nor did i imply it. it is my OPINION that continuously inbreeding/line breeding has led to this. i was simply stating an observation.

"moral of this story is that mountain racers do not take to inbreeding/line breeding very well."

That is being presented as "fact". We have not seen that in hundreds of Coxi produced, in well over a decade of Coxi breeding.
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