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GOP targets python rule

EricWI Sep 14, 2011 06:21 PM

Snake, rattle, roll: GOP targets python rule

Snakes alive! Giant pythons in the Everglades are the latest focal point in the Hill’s partisan squabble over federal regulations that House Republicans say are squeezing the nation’s job growth.

At issue is a proposed rule from the Interior Department that would designate the Burmese python and eight other snake species as “injurious,” which would make it illegal to import them or transport them across state lines.
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The ban has been a pet cause of Florida Sen. Bill Nelson, who called for Interior to take action based on estimates that 100,000 or more pythons are dwelling in the Everglades, where scientists say they feast on herons, egrets and other native species.

The issue exploded into a media sensation six years ago after a photographer captured an image of a decapitated python that had burst after swallowing a 6-foot alligator. Some scientists have warned that the snakes might eventually spread throughout much of the U.S., with potentially suitable climate for some species existing as far north as coastal Delaware or Oregon.

But in a report released Wednesday, Republicans on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee denounced the proposed rule as part of the Obama administration’s “regulatory tsunami.” They said the snake ban could “devastate a small but thriving sector of the economy.”

Snake breeder and herpetologist David Barker testified at a committee hearing Wednesday that the rule would hurt the livelihoods of people like him.

“It threatens as many as a million law-abiding American citizens and their families with the penalty of a felony conviction for pursuing their livelihoods, for pursuing their hobby, or for simply moving with their pet to a new state,” Barker told the panel.

Barker also warned about the impact of the rule on existing pets. “What’s going to happen to the million or so animals that suddenly are without value?” he said. “The implementation of the proposed action may precipitate the greatest slaughter of pet animals in American history.”

House Democrats scoffed at the idea that snake regulations would be major impediments to job growth.

“With all due respect to our witnesses from the Association of Reptile Keepers, repealing a so-called job-killing regulation to allow more pythons, boa constrictors and anacondas into the United States is not the kind of bold, bipartisan solution Americans are looking for to help the economy,” said Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), ranking member of the oversight panel.

In a statement Wednesday afternoon, a spokesman for Nelson (D-Fla.) said that “respectfully, the House Oversight Committee might just be wrong on this one.”

“I mean, how many people line up outside Walmart on Black Friday to buy a python?” the spokesman said. “Rules like this are carefully weighed, narrowly targeted and aimed at protecting the public safety and welfare.”

The Republicans highlighted the draft rule in their report, which denounced a host of Obama administration regulations.
In discussing the python issue, the report describes the proposed snake regulation as “a solution in search of a problem,” pointing to contrary research from some scientists who found evidence that cold weather could keep the pythons from spreading much beyond subtropical South Florida.

But Everglades National Park spokeswoman Linda Friar said in an interview that the python problem is real.

“We’re extremely concerned,” she said. “The real turning point was when we saw that they started to breed in this habitat.”

Friar added that the proposed federal rules would help deal with the threat, which some scientists blame on pets whose owners released them after becoming unable or unwilling to continue caring for the animals.

While Florida has tightened its regulations on some python species — for example, requiring snakes to be implanted with a microchip identifying the owner — that doesn’t address everyone who buys the reptiles, Friar said.

“You can go online and not purchase in a store in Florida,” she said. “You could probably do it in 10 minutes.”

In and near the park, the number of Burmese pythons removed has soared from just two in 2000 to 367 in 2009. Last year, it dipped slightly to 322.

“The Burmese python and these other alien snakes are destroying some of our nation’s most treasured — and most fragile — ecosystems,” Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said in a statement last year.

Salazar added: “The Interior Department and states such as Florida are taking swift and common sense action to control and eliminate the populations of these snakes, but it is an uphill battle in ecosystems where they have no natural predators. If we are going to succeed, we must shut down the importation of the snakes and end the interstate commerce and transportation of them.”

Aside from the Burmese pythons, Friar said, some other large, aggressive snake species have been turning up outside the park, including anacondas and African rock pythons.

The African rock python has been known in rare cases to attack and even eat humans. Florida has yet to see any attacks on humans by pythons in the wild, although Nelson has pointed to one case in which a pet Burmese python that escaped from its cage strangled a 2-year-old girl elsewhere in the house.
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Replies (16)

Aaron Sep 14, 2011 08:22 PM

So now it has become a partisan issue, most unfortunate. My biggest fear has been that anti-envoronmentalist politicians would point to the junk science that is behind so many bad herp regulations and use it to discredit legitamate science. But the line appears to be drawn in the sand and it's clear that environmentalists want nothing to do with herpetoculturists.

What is sad is that most reptile owners seemed willing to conceed that exotics are, or could be, a problem in Florida but USFW wanted to enact nationwide bans in states where they are not even a problem, using junk science for a massive power grab. I think we could have worked something out on Florida but the USFW is just too greedy and wants too much.
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Calparsoni Sep 16, 2011 04:45 PM

As a libertarian I have really seen very little difference between the two corporate parties. Especially when a republican majority threw us under the bus here in Fl. on this issue. On that note BTW As a floridian I really appreciate your attitude of "we could work something out with fl." way of thinking. So much for uniting with fellow herpers in trouble huh?
Especially when the majority of problems with invasives here in fl. could be solved by actively enforcing laws that already existed and cracking down on the importers that all our animals (yours AND mine) come from at some point. The majority of animals turned loose come from them not from others.
Anyway back to my point I dislike both of those parties but if one of them is willing to help me be able to do what I have always done and not be a crime I will back them......to a point.

voodoomagik Sep 19, 2011 04:33 PM

It was exclusively Republicans that voted in that backdoor overnight bill that made all Burms, retics, etc. into ROCs and ended the collections of most FL pythons breeders. I'll play along though with a wary eye for a while though.
Aaron
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Aaron Oct 04, 2011 08:50 PM

"On that note BTW As a floridian I really appreciate your attitude of "we could work something out with fl." way of thinking. So much for uniting with fellow herpers in trouble huh?"

Hasn't USARK and every expert basicly said it was a solely a Florida problem and that Florida needed to work with keepers? My statement was an interpretation of their words. I don't own any large snakes or venemous, I am just trying to stick up for you guys. Forgive me if I misinterpreted it but I thought that USARK had admitted Florida had a problem that needed attention.
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Bloo Sep 14, 2011 08:30 PM

“I mean, how many people line up outside Walmart on Black Friday to buy a python?” the spokesman said.

I go to get the tubs, water bowls, cheap cords to cut for heat tape, etc. So yes, my 'snake money' goes to Walmart and Lowes quite often. Definetely Lowes and Tractor supply for monitors.
Leads me to wonder how much Sterilite, Rubbermaid and all the clear storage containers make off of reptile keepers as a whole.

markbrown Sep 15, 2011 07:21 AM

Personally, I've felt for years that Burms shouldn't be sold in pet stores, but that's just my opinion.

But to let scientific policy be decided by politicians, the vast majority of whom have zero knowledge of science and have never contributed one single worthwhile thing to society, is an incredibly dangerous path to take. If there's any doubt of this, look at how politically popular it seems to have become to question evolution.

EricWI Sep 15, 2011 09:56 AM

"But repealing the snake transport rule "is not the kind of bold, bipartisan solution Americans are looking for to help the economy," he said.”

This was a statement made by Representative Cummings (D-MD). What this "political speak" essentially translates to is "I am sorry to hear that this rule will bankrupt you, your family, and thousands of others (and turn them into potential felons), but most Americans are generally afraid of or don't like snakes, so therefore that is reason enough to pass the rule, and it does not matter that it is fundamentally flawed, unscientific, and goes against several of Obama's EO's. We need to pander to the ophidiophobes of America...

natsamjosh Sep 15, 2011 01:23 PM

>>"But repealing the snake transport rule "is not the kind of bold, bipartisan solution Americans are looking for to help the economy," he said.”
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>>This was a statement made by Representative Cummings (D-MD). What this "political speak" essentially translates to is "I am sorry to hear that this rule will bankrupt you, your family, and thousands of others (and turn them into potential felons), but most Americans are generally afraid of or don't like snakes, so therefore that is reason enough to pass the rule, and it does not matter that it is fundamentally flawed, unscientific, and goes against several of Obama's EO's. We need to pander to the ophidiophobes of America...

I didn't expect anything different from the Democrats. While it may be trivial, though, did it bother anyone else that at least two of the Republicans (during the oversight hearing) prefaced their questions to Mr. Barker with something like, "I certainly don't share your passion for snakes..."? Why even say that? How about, "That's a very unique hobby/business you have, one day I'd like to learn more about it and the animals you love." ?

Neither side seemed very interested in the veracity of the science, which is really sad. (Didn't the President say he was going to bring science to the forefront??) IMO, that is the crux of the matter. They all want to turn it solely into a "business vs. the environment" narrative.

biophile Sep 15, 2011 01:48 PM

I think I just evolved into a lifelong republican. I tried to engage the democrats on this and some true environmental concerns I have but they seemed to only care about political gain at anyones expense. I know one thing, I will never forget this.

Aaron Sep 16, 2011 10:52 AM

Yes it's disturbing how none of their words, at least those quoted, were about whether the rule is right, wrong, fair, etc. and just boiled down to 'most people don't care so we're gonna do what we want'.
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Ravenspirit Sep 18, 2011 07:56 AM

If they are going to make our legally acquired property (our snakes) contraband like that, they should have to reimburse us full fair market value for our animals.

lairofdragons Sep 20, 2011 04:59 PM

I am sure that if they did ban them that I would wait till my female is gravid...drive to Florida and let her go to chance the wild instead of putting her down. I am sure I am not alone on this and they think they have a problem now...
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markbrown Sep 20, 2011 05:56 PM

Oh yeah, that'll teach 'em not to screw around with responsible and mature herpetoculturists.

lairofdragons Sep 20, 2011 10:39 PM

You don't get it...if they ban them saying you cant transport them, ship them or even own them are you going to turn yours over to the SPCA...or local pound....and what do you think they are going to do with them...?
I would rather let mine go and give them a chance to live then hear that they are going to be put down.
They cant stop whats already happened...they cant control it...the pythons in Florida are there to stay...just like wild boars all over the U.S. They are the top of the food chain and only real predator is man.
I already live in a state where it is illegal to own a monkey or a quaker parrot..if they find out you have them they have the power to take ever single animal you own. So I dont own any. So I am sure if this ban passes it will be the same for snakes as well. It started the same way first with regulations they couldnt regulate then laws banning them all together.
You do what you want with yours if it passes and I will do what I want with mine....and being a responsible owner has nothing to do with it.
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Calparsoni Sep 21, 2011 10:56 AM

that is the best solution. Threatening to bring them to Florida and turn them loose is a foolish idea. we have enough problems here as it is with the knee jerk reaction they did on the feral animal thing as it is. we don't need people from other states making it worse. for all the crap that is spouted off down here about people turning their animals loose, the majority of the problem has been with importers being irresponsible and FWC absolutely knows it. I am certainly not their cheerleader, if you have read any of my posts on here it is not hard to tell that I dislike government authority , but I know they aware of just where the problem here exists and they don't need yahoos like you spouting off about threatening to release your animals. It not only makes it hard for them but for the serious hobbyists down here as well who just want to be left alone.
The best way to keep officials in your own state from going after your animals is to be smart about it and just keep your mouth shut about having them, or move somewhere else before any ban is in place. Or move after the ban is in place and once again keep your mouth shut.

KathyLove Sep 20, 2011 06:19 PM

across state lines, or importing into the country. They are not trying to stop people keeping them within their state - at least, not yet.

Of course, lots of states, counties, and cities have their own ideas of various animals to ban or restrict, too. So you can never be sure where the next attack will come from.

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