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The Pastel Kings, as I understand it are Amel Ruthven's x Thayer's Kings. The amel gene originated in the Ruthven's.

But I believe Amel Nelson's Milks X Thayer's has also been done, is that correct? If so, what are they called? Surely they wouldn't be called Pastel Kings as well, would they?

My main question is are the amel gene from Ruthven's and the amel gene from Nelson's compatible? ie if I bred an amel Ruthven's x Thayeri to an amel Nelson's x Thayeri would I get amels in the first generation?

I would like to see pictures of any or all of the following:
Amel Ruthven's x Thayer's
Amel Nelson's x Thayer's
Amel Ruthven's x Amel Nelson's

The reason I ask these questions is because recently I saw an amel Thayer's that was the result of breeding two supposedly pure normal looking Thayer's. I'm just trying to figure out what the possible origins of this snake are and what various test breedings should result in.

I would also like to know because these snakes have different feeding preferences. Both Ruthven's and Thayer's often prefer lizards as fist foods. I'm not sure but I think Nelson's are much more likely to take pinky mice as first foods. Therefore and Amel Nelson's x Thayer's would presumably be more likely to accept pinky mice as fist food.
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>>The Pastel Kings, as I understand it are Amel Ruthven's x Thayer's Kings. The amel gene originated in the Ruthven's.
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>>But I believe Amel Nelson's Milks X Thayer's has also been done, is that correct? If so, what are they called? Surely they wouldn't be called Pastel Kings as well, would they?
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>>My main question is are the amel gene from Ruthven's and the amel gene from Nelson's compatible? ie if I bred an amel Ruthven's x Thayeri to an amel Nelson's x Thayeri would I get amels in the first generation?
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>>I would like to see pictures of any or all of the following:
>>Amel Ruthven's x Thayer's
>>Amel Nelson's x Thayer's
>>Amel Ruthven's x Amel Nelson's
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>>The reason I ask these questions is because recently I saw an amel Thayer's that was the result of breeding two supposedly pure normal looking Thayer's. I'm just trying to figure out what the possible origins of this snake are and what various test breedings should result in.
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>>I would also like to know because these snakes have different feeding preferences. Both Ruthven's and Thayer's often prefer lizards as fist foods. I'm not sure but I think Nelson's are much more likely to take pinky mice as first foods. Therefore and Amel Nelson's x Thayer's would presumably be more likely to accept pinky mice as fist food.
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>>www.hcu-tx.org/

In my experience the Ruthveni and Nelson's amel gene are not allelic. Thayeri X Nelsons are called candy colored clowns.
Thayeri X Nelsons pics.......

Het..


Melanistic Thayeri X Albino Ruthveni

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First of all thank you for the response. I am wondering what you mean when you say "in your experience". The reason is because I got an email from another person who said that in his experience they were allelic. So my question is what is the exact breeding or breedings you did that indicated them to not be allelic? Were you using one or more hets in your pairings? If so it would be possible that you simply didn't hit the odds. How many times did you try the pairing?
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www.hcu-tx.org/

>>First of all thank you for the response. I am wondering what you mean when you say "in your experience". The reason is because I got an email from another person who said that in his experience they were allelic. So my question is what is the exact breeding or breedings you did that indicated them to not be allelic? Were you using one or more hets in your pairings? If so it would be possible that you simply didn't hit the odds. How many times did you try the pairing?
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>>www.hcu-tx.org/

Ya he emailed me too. I didn't respond yet to his email but I would be curious to know if he had bred the female the previous year. I personally bred a het Nelsons X Thayeri to an albino Ruthveni X Thaeyri and got all normals. And I also have a friend who bred an albino thayeri x nelsons to an albino ruthveni x thayeri and he got all normals. So I didn't do albino to albino myself but to me it seems like they're not allelic. In my breeding I guess it's possible I didn't hit the odds but in all honesty I have never bred a het to an albino and not got 1 albino.
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www.mesozoicreptiles.com

albino ruthvens x albino nelsoni is not allelic
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Paul.

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