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After incubating for 96 days my four good Hueco Canyon suboc eggs hatched. They have not shed yet but I love the translucent look and opalescent sheen on their heads and bodies. Hueco Canyon subocs are a favorite snake for sure.

And, congrats to Randy for his new Moellendorf's. Those are unique and beautiful animals. Congrats on some gorgeous hatchlings too.

Hueco Canyon 2011 babies and a shot of mom.

Those are really nice. I'm kinda partial to the normal patterned subocs, especially when they are from a nice locale. It's to bad they are not sold as often anymore. I've been looking for some nice normals for a while now.
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Matt Kauffman

Very very sweet. Will they look like the mom? Love that subtle pale yellow.
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I think so. They are offspring of a line descended from founders collected in Hueco Canyon many years ago before the area was developed. The breeder lived there as a teen and collected the founders. All of the animals from this line look like the adults.

Now I wait until the new Hueco Canyon babies shed for the first time and then see which, if any, eat this year.

I suspect hatchling subocs overwinter in the nest at least some of the time, since breeding season is in June-August with second clutches laid in October. Suboc eggs take a long time to incubate and some clutches probably overwinter as eggs and/or fresh hatchlings. Subocs are large--my babies averaged 23 grams compared to 8 grams for a yellow ratsnake hatchling, and have lots of yolk when they leave the egg. They are well suited to overwinter before their first meal.

It was the female's first year breeding and I did not double-clutch her. I plan to breed her again next year, as she has already fully recovered from this breeding. She's a big girl at 4 1/2 years old.

Still a clutch of Panther Canyons in the incubator. Last year's Panthers produced only one pair of orange ones which seem to be doing OK. This year's Panther eggs were laid late and probably won't hatch until around Thanksgiving.

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Very nice Kim! Congrats, my fave of the suboc localities also. Mike C.

Fun!

So, are the adults WC?

Best,

DR

These adults are f1 cb. The grandparents were wild caught.

The breeder fell under the spell of subocs and kept many over the years until he overdosed. He parted with most of his adults but kept plenty of juvenals to re-start again in a few years after a break. I look forward to his return, as he had the cleanest wild-type subocs I've seen.

I've never felt the need to take a break from subocs. Easy maintenance, quiet, they are some of the least demanding animals I've worked with, and among the most attractive to me.

The rest of my collection consists of racers, coachwhips, watersnakes, some choice boas, several American ratsnakes and a few Eastern indigos. After all the hissing, tail rattling, neck arching, fussy feeding and poop cleaning, the subocs are like my quiet place where I can relax after begging a dozen sighthunters to eat something besides my flesh.