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I used to be under the impression that these were likely ETB hybrids (somewhere in the ancestry), but have saw several over the years that look perfectly ATB to me. Curious how it occurs and if it is inherited like other colors or more straight-forward.

Thanks!

Okay, let me rephrase and see if there's any response: By breeding two olive/green (instead of gray/black) tree boas together, will I get all greens, or as I suspect, all the same various colors as with say breeding oronge to orange or red to red, etc.,?

I typically breed ball pythons and bearded dragons, and I'm just getting into ATB's myself. So take my advice with a grain of salt. That being said I believe you are right.
I think that most of the color varients in ATBs are results of breeding back animals that had certain colors. Unlike genetic morphs where breed this x this and get that holds true, I think it's more of a locality/variation.
I guess where my thought process comes in is that it's alot like the bearded dragons. You see alot of different colors that have been selectively bred and when you breed two like colors together you have a good idea of what will come, but you don't know for sure because of it's genetic history.
Just my two cents and I hope it's worth that.

Thanks for the reply...was hoping to have heard back from people who've done some interesting color combo breeding wth anmals showing greens. Although I'm interested in the same high-color morphs as everyone else, I'm also interested in pursuing some of the odd/unusual color variations. I think I'm getting a "caramel" female to put with him

I have a pair that are pretty green, and I'll be breeding them this season for the first time. There is no way to know what the babies will look like until they pop out.

Do you have any pictures of your guy?

He's a "yellow-green" and is a bit better than he appears here...this pic was right after I got him and he hadn't warmed up completely yet.

Nice!

Do you have a picture of the Green ATB?

I have breed Amazons about 20 times or so. I also had a large collection back in Ireland, however I am yet to see an Amazon I consider to be green. The one in the picture looks like a normal Yellow / dirty yellow animal. Sort of the most common yellow color phase we see. Nice snake, but I would love to see the Green one.

Warren
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Dr Warren Booth / Director USARK
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology

Female - she is a very deep, solid olive drab color that is difficult to capture in a photograph. Towards her neck she takes on a more brown tone.

Male - he's a much lighter olive green color, with gray mixed in.

And then check this one out. It's just a baby, so it's color might change into adulthood, but it's the greenest ATB I've ever seen.
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Those are both outstanding! I'd likely like to get offspring out of something like those in the future Having noticed that many atb's seem to have either yellow/reds or blue-gray/brown-blacks, but most not having the blend to create visual green to noticeable degree, I just wondered if it were inherited any differently than any other atb color.

Also, I think Mr. Booth's comments were to me primarily; he seems to like to pick at anything I post.

Pick on whatever you say? Not at all. I simply am curious to see a green ATB. Having bred amazons for years I would love to see a green one more than anyone. The yellow/grey one you posted did not look green to me.
The one posted in a previous thread looked slightly green. Drab olive. Interesting snake, but not a color phase I would be too tempted to breed for.

What I would love to see is a patternless grey animal. I have seen a single specimen, and it looked incredible. Not a patch of pattern.

Warren
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Dr Warren Booth / Director USARK
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology

"The one posted in a previous thread looked slightly green. Drab olive. Interesting snake, but not a color phase I would be too tempted to breed for."
To each his own, and if she isn't your cup of tea, that's cool. I consider her color to be beautiful and unique, which to me makes it an extremely tempting color phase to breed for. Personally I would be EXTATIC if she produced a litter of 10 that looked exactly like her, but that's just me.

"What I would love to see is a patternless grey animal. I have seen a single specimen, and it looked incredible. Not a patch of pattern."
I have also seen a patternless grey - probably the same animal - and I too would like to see more. But the question is: how do you produce one intentionally? It's relatively common to see patternless yellow, orange, or red animals, but you never see patternless grey or brown, except for the occasional fluke. I have a beautiful slate grey male, and a (nearly) patternless yellow female, but I doubt that breeding them would be much more likely to produce patternless grey offspring than any other pair. ATB genetics just don't seem to work that way.

I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the matter, though.

About a decade ago I had a huge nearly patternless blue-gray ATB, but I never got it to breed. There was no visible black or brown, but a definite blue tint to the color---closest thing I recall seeing to axanthic. Perhaps just a green littermate?

The one in the link is pretty spectacular, right. Almost mossy green. Very cool. I think it will turn out the more drab green like the first one you have pictured. I have produced lots of amazons with a greenish hue to them as neonates that then turn out to be a dullish light brown.

Your two look spectacular and very healthy. Good luck with them.

Warren
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Dr Warren Booth / Director USARK
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology

After re-reading your post, I realized that when you said "Green", you might have been expecting lime green, like a GTP or ETB. When I said that I had "a pair that are pretty green", I did not mean to imply that either would ever be mistaken for an ETB. My females green is the shade of green you would expect to see on a green anaconda. My male is a shade of green you would expect to see if you opened a jar of green olives (minus the pimentos). Not lime green, but green non-the-less. I hope didn't mislead you.

That baby in the link, however, is as close to chondro/emerald green as I've seen for an ATB.

I have never seen a green ATB. The picture is a common yellow. I see NO green.

Kyle

"I have never seen a green ATB."

I posted pictures of this ATB earlier in this thread, but I don't know if you saw it or not. Just out of curiosity - if you were asked to describe this animal to someone who couldn't see the picture, how would you describe it's color?

Definitely not green. The pic of the subadult was however. I don't think the subadult will retain much if any of that as an adult. Great looking snake though.

"Definitely not green."

Okay, let me be more specific, and ask you to be as well. If you were writing a detailed description of this animal and you couldn't include a picture, how would you describe its color? If you don't think it's green, then what color do you think it is? It's also "not magenta" and "not hot pink", so "not green" doesn't exactly narrow it down much.

That snake is incredible and very much GREEN!

I've had some green ATBs over the years, similar to that one, but not nearly as brilliant as that one. Wow!

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You might be able to find more information at the Amazon Alliance forums. It's primarily for Amazon tree boas and arboreal boids, and people tend to respond a little quicker.
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