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pythons go limp, lose muscle control

river9000 Nov 09, 2011 07:30 PM

I lost two large retics to this -whatever it is. First was a retic I raised up, one day he was just limp, dead- yet alive. No tongue movement, I could dialate his eyes with a pen light. Finally, two days later, dead.

Next, I waited five weeks. I cloroxed the cage. I buy a grown tiger. A couple weeks later, same thing. I was thinking IBD. But all the major retic breeders say they have never seen a case of it.

I had a necropsy done on the tiger and a follow up pathology on the kidney. Kidney was fine. Necropsy showed ' some undiagnosed' bacterial infection.

This was all four months ago.

I got a few really special prized very large retics. They now have a lower respiratory infection so they are on Fortaz injections ( a major task to inject a 17 foot snake !).

This respiratory thing started this past week.

Now.... a sebae I have had a long time is going limp and losing muscle coordination. She was fine this morning. As with both dead retics they too, were fine the morning of their first signs.

I have a top notch herp vet who is one of the rare ones that is also certified to deal with whales and sea mammals.

I have spent more money for snakes vets in the last four months than I have in 35 years prior.

All affected snakes shed properly, were eating properly and elminating. The retics ate the week they died. I actually considered a tainted food supply.

Finally, the dying snakes 'exit performance' is that they showed ultra-bright coloration, brighter colors than when they were well.

Also, the dead snakes DID NOT ever get rigor, even several days later. Luminescent colors. They looked fake, plastic-like.

any ideas???

Replies (6)

BuzzardBall Nov 11, 2011 11:55 AM

Strange! Wish I could help ya bud, but I've never heard of that and I've been breeding Pythons since 90' Good Luck!

river9000 Nov 11, 2011 12:05 PM

The recent death of the sebae ( which the vet says looks strangely like IBD- but how it appears to suddenly goes against IBD) that python has been sent to Univ of Florida for a full necropsy of micsocopy work up).

I am in the market to locate another TAME larger african if you know of anyone.

i am going to be placing any new specimens in a different part of my house, far away from the twenty I have

shadowguy Nov 12, 2011 03:44 PM

Strange indeed... Anything new in room environment that could be poisoning the air? Could they be contracting something from food sourced from a common provider? Assuming there are no vectors crawling from cage to cage it would seem unlikely that it's an airborne virus or bacterium. Water from municipal source or well? Moving to another room a good step to take... I'd contemplate their food and water. I presume there's no Cedar oil based cleaning materials or shavings. The worrisome issue at this point is whether or not the survivors are carrying something in asymptomatic fashion. .... Bumping temperatures up well into the maximum tolerable range has historically been effective to quell viruses. Keep us posted.

river9000 Nov 13, 2011 09:05 AM

no cedar

my herp vet said if it were 'environmentally based' the baby snakes would be the first to go.

I thought about the food but it all comes from rodentpro frozen, very few virus' survive freezing , bacterium do ( anthrax, the prions in bovine spongiform encepholitis/BSE/mad cow).

The water is city water, not well water. The rapdity of the onset of death is the startling thingg. It looks like high-speed IBD. All the largest retic breeders ( retic ranch, Prehistoric say they have never seen a case of IBD but my vet says he sees four a year, almost always ball pythons.

The literature says to place each snake in a different room that has seperate air systems ( zoos cannot even do this)

The african was placed on ice and sent to Unv of Florida for a complete pathology work up.

all I can do is wash my hands between handlings. I spray the feed boxes with clorox after they are used.

Kelly_Haller Nov 16, 2011 01:06 PM

Freezing will have no effect whatsoever on most strains of virus. I would also recommend that you not share feeding boxes even if disinfected. This would unfortunately be the most effective way of spreading bacteria or virus infections through a snake colony. You would be much better off not using any feeding boxes at all and feed in the primary cages. Will be interested to see what the necropsy shows with regards to the affected internal organs.

Kelly

Jaykis Nov 17, 2011 09:50 PM

Back in the early 80's I had a a Burm/Indian cross that had the lower half of it's body cease functioning. About a 4' animal. No ibd symptoms and it eventually died. Also had a 11' Burm recover from IBD, but it was never right. This was when Jacobson was just starting to work on IBD

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