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I was given a black rat snake that is normal looking enough except it has crimson island colors.I live in Eastern, PA. Has anyone ever encountered this coloration before? I'll poste pictures later if I can find my hook up to load it.
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until next time make mine slither.herb
www.housesnakes@yahoo.com

"I was given a black rat snake that is normal looking enough except it has crimson island colors"

.....exactly what the heck are "crimson island colors"?

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

>>"I was given a black rat snake that is normal looking enough except it has crimson island colors"
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>>.....exactly what the heck are "crimson island colors"?
>>sorry, it's juvinile coloration is crimson red.
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>> ~Doug
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>>"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"
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>>serpentinespecialties.webs.com
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until next time make mine slither.herb
www.housesnakes@yahoo.com

I would really have to see a photo to understand PRECISELY what it's phenotype is. I am guessing you mean the saddle blotching only is crimson red, but properly identifying exactly what it is without a photo is virtually impossible since subtle differences can often make all the difference in the world regarding normal wild-type characteristics or a mutation(morph) of some kind.

Would love to see a pic!..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

what they mean is like rusty patches...on the sides..where the light blotches used to be as a juvenile....

YES...PA makes alot of them...I know from central western pa...like I think Centre county maybe Huntington Co...they have alot with rust blotches.....here in Lancaster or even York...they may or may not get totally black or retain some lighter blotches....I don't see reds,rusts or oranges here in Lancaster or York Counties though....

you said..eastern Pa....anything is possible with blacks...some are totally patterned as adults.....

I have seen total rusty colored garters in the Lehigh Gorge and I know they have been found in Tioga/Potter counties also....(usually greens to tans as normal eastenr garters)...

...good luck.....

I heard of a totally chocolate black rat in Rock State Park ,MD 17 years ago.....and I saw a chocolate skunk run over last week in Mountville ,Lancaster Co.....so...hypo is around...in alot of critters... ....
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>>what they mean is like rusty patches...on the sides..where the light blotches used to be as a juvenile....
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>>YES...PA makes alot of them...I know from central western pa...like I think Centre county maybe Huntington Co...they have alot with rust blotches.....here in Lancaster or even York...they may or may not get totally black or retain some lighter blotches....I don't see reds,rusts or oranges here in Lancaster or York Counties though....
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>>you said..eastern Pa....anything is possible with blacks...some are totally patterned as adults.....
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>>I have seen total rusty colored garters in the Lehigh Gorge and I know they have been found in Tioga/Potter counties also....(usually greens to tans as normal eastenr garters)...
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>>...good luck.....
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>>I heard of a totally chocolate black rat in Rock State Park ,MD 17 years ago.....and I saw a chocolate skunk run over last week in Mountville ,Lancaster Co.....so...hypo is around...in alot of critters... ....
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>>........JY
YES! this is what I was talking about!My black rat has colors like a rock python! I'm surching for my cord right now to down load a picture.
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until next time make mine slither.herb
www.housesnakes@yahoo.com

>>I would really have to see a photo to understand PRECISELY what it's phenotype is. I am guessing you mean the saddle blotching only is crimson red, but properly identifying exactly what it is without a photo is virtually impossible since subtle differences can often make all the difference in the world regarding normal wild-type characteristics or a mutation(morph) of some kind.
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>> Would love to see a pic!..
>>I'll gladly poste a picture as soon as I can find my equipment.
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>> ~Doug
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>>"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"
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>>serpentinespecialties.webs.com
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until next time make mine slither.herb
www.housesnakes@yahoo.com

The skin between the scales of Black Rats is often white, yellow, orange or red (or some combination of those colors).

Tim

Third Eye