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So my ghost girl, Torandre, has always second-clutched. I'm pairing her with Vanay for clutch one to check what he is and check for hets (anery, hypo, amel). But what do I want to do for the second clutch?

This be Tor:

Do I want to pair her with Liam again and see if I can get a male as docile as "keeper" for my sweetcorn project?

Do I want to pair her with Eliel and see what sort of ghosts they make?

Or do I want to put her to Nautley and see if they make bizzare babies? She's thrown partial zigzags/aztecs in each clutch so far, no matter which male she's paired with.

Your snake would probably use retained sprem from its first breeding to produce the secone clutch, irregardless of if it is bred to a second male.

Tim

Third Eye

"Or do I want to put her to Nautley and see if they make bizzare babies? She's thrown partial zigzags/aztecs in each clutch so far, no matter which male she's paired with."

I'm all for same sex marriages, but am thinking pairing her with another female may not yield any babies, unless they planned on adopting??

Sorry, couldn't resist

Assuming Nautley is actually a "He" and not a "She" then that would be my vote. Especially if he's het for anery or hypo or both.

As the other poster said, and I'm sure you already know, some of the babies would most likely be fathered by the male you are using for the 1st clutch due to retained sperm, but no harm in tossing in a different male between the two clutches for some variety in the 2nd clutch.

I did it this past year, tossed a small Plasme male in with my Moonstone female between her first and second clutches. I thought he was too small to breed, just wanted him to have a feel for what it was like in thoughts might help prepare him for the following year when I hoped to breed him. I only tossed him in twice, for only a few hours each time. Never saw a lock. But darned if I didn't get one little Lavender baby from the 2nd clutch. All the other babies were fathered by the male who I'd used for the first clutch, who had no Lavender in him at all, so the Lavender baby had to have come from my little Plasma dude.

I love that your neat patterned boy (assuming he really is a boy) passes on his neat pattern. I kept back a cool patterned female last year that popped out of an otherwise normally patterned clutch from normal patterned parents and am hoping she might pass that pattern along when she's big enough to breed. She's het Amel, Charcoal, Anery, Lavender.

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Ball Pythons
1.1 Het Caramels (Edward & Bella)
0.1 Normal 66% ph Caramel (Rosalie)
1.1 Caramels (Crookshanks & Bellatrix)
1.0 Honey Bee (Aragog)
0.1 Hypo Pastel (Nagini)
0.1 Spider 66% ph Hypo(Nymphadora)
1.0 Mojave (Lucius)
1.1 Pastel Lessers (Jacob & Narcissa)
0.1 Pinstripe (Arwen)
1.0 Pewter (Salazar)
0.1 Bumble Bee (Alice)
1.0 Bell Pastel (Jasper)
0.1 African Dinker (Esme)
0.1 Het Pied
0.1 Hypo Cinny (Myrtle)
1.0 Cinny het Hypo poss het Albino
1.1 Pastel Dinkers (Snape & Xiomara)
0.2 Ghana Dinker Babies
0.0.3 CH Dinker Babies

Corns
1.1 Normals het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo (Romeo & Juliet)
1.0 Blizzard het Diffused (Tumnus)
1.0 Blizzard poss het Anery, Hypo, Diffused (Cotton)
0.1 Anery Lavender het Amel (Lucy)
0.1 Plasma poss het Hypo (Victoria)
1.0 Plasma poss het Albino
1.0 Hypo Plasma
1.1 Amel Motleys (Harry & Ginny)
0.1 Lavender Motley poss het diffused
1.0 Lavender Pinstripe Motley het Amel
0.1 Fire poss het Anery, Charcoal, Hypo (LeeLoo)
0.1 Normal het Albino, Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused
1.0 Albino het Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused
1.1 Sunkissed poss het Plasma (Arthur & Molly)
0.1 Dilute Blue Motley (Myrtle)
1.0 Pastel Motley (Nick)
0.1 Diffused Caramel
1.0 Blizzard 66% poss het Diffused
1.0 Pewter het Albino
0.1 Fire het Charcoal

Thayeri Kings
0.1 Leonis phase (Sidney)
1.0 Milk Snake phase

Milks
1.1 Tangerine Albino Hondurans
0.1 Hypo Tangerine Albino Honduran

The 'she' was actually referring to Tor. She has thrown partial zigzags each clutch, and had a partial aztec. Thus, my desire to see if pairing her with Nautley (who is indeed male, and newly two years old and a virgin) will increase the chance of more zigzags, or increase the expression of it.

Two of her partial zigzags:

Zig-zag isn't particularly predictable, though generally speaking, the more aberrant the parents, the more aberrant the offspring, though you'll get a range of normals (or almost normals), slight zig-zags, moderate zig-zags and heavily zig-zagged. So they don't breed 100% true.

Tim

Partial zig-zag Creamsicle I made:

Zig-zag Reverse Okeetee I produced:

Zig-zag Rootbeer hatched in the 1990s:

Zig-zag Russian Rat I produced and sold to Jeff Cochran:

Zig-zag Albino Black Rat I hatched "back in the day":

Partial zig-zag Pacific Rattlesnake I found in CA:

I like zig-zags!

Third Eye

Oddly enough, Tor does not have any aberrant saddles, and neither did her mates. Yet every clutch there's been a partial zigzag. O_o

I've heard that aztec and zigzag also tends to "run in the family" i.e. breeding related aztecs and zigzags are a good bet to produce more.

I've always loved Aztecs, looking forward to seeing your results Shiari :*)

Ohhhh, that makes much more sense

Then my vote is definitely Nautley!

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Slytherin Serpents

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Ball Pythons
1.1 Het Caramels (Edward & Bella)
0.1 Normal 66% ph Caramel (Rosalie)
1.1 Caramels (Crookshanks & Bellatrix)
1.0 Honey Bee (Aragog)
0.1 Hypo Pastel (Nagini)
0.1 Spider 66% ph Hypo(Nymphadora)
1.0 Mojave (Lucius)
1.1 Pastel Lessers (Jacob & Narcissa)
0.1 Pinstripe (Arwen)
1.0 Pewter (Salazar)
0.1 Bumble Bee (Alice)
1.0 Bell Pastel (Jasper)
0.1 African Dinker (Esme)
0.1 Het Pied
0.1 Hypo Cinny (Myrtle)
1.0 Cinny het Hypo poss het Albino
1.1 Pastel Dinkers (Snape & Xiomara)
0.2 Ghana Dinker Babies
0.0.3 CH Dinker Babies

Corns
1.1 Normals het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo (Romeo & Juliet)
1.0 Blizzard het Diffused (Tumnus)
1.0 Blizzard poss het Anery, Hypo, Diffused (Cotton)
0.1 Anery Lavender het Amel (Lucy)
0.1 Plasma poss het Hypo (Victoria)
1.0 Plasma poss het Albino
1.0 Hypo Plasma
1.1 Amel Motleys (Harry & Ginny)
0.1 Lavender Motley poss het diffused
1.0 Lavender Pinstripe Motley het Amel
0.1 Fire poss het Anery, Charcoal, Hypo (LeeLoo)
0.1 Normal het Albino, Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused
1.0 Albino het Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused
1.1 Sunkissed poss het Plasma (Arthur & Molly)
0.1 Dilute Blue Motley (Myrtle)
1.0 Pastel Motley (Nick)
0.1 Diffused Caramel
1.0 Blizzard 66% poss het Diffused
1.0 Pewter het Albino
0.1 Fire het Charcoal

Thayeri Kings
0.1 Leonis phase (Sidney)
1.0 Milk Snake phase

Milks
1.1 Tangerine Albino Hondurans
0.1 Hypo Tangerine Albino Honduran