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A bunch of Pantherophis...

Pantherophis guttatus guttatus

Pantherophis guttatus (emoryi) meahllmorum

1.1 Reverse-striped

Nueces County

Nueces County

Pantherophis bairdi Davis Mountains

Pantherophis obsoletus lindheimeri Montgomery County, TX

Pantherophis obsoletus obsoletus Columbus, MO

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-Toby Brock
Southwestern Center for Herpetological Research

How old is your black rat? How long is he?

Nice snakes too!

Thanks Adam!

I don't have that black rat any more - actually sold him a few years back, as I could not find a mate for him from that locale. He was a BIG yearling when I sold him - maybe 2.5 - 3 ft. He was a great example of that subspecies, and I often wish I'd held onto him - as I do about many snakes I have sold or given away...

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-Toby Brock
Southwestern Center for Herpetological Research

Sweet looking black rat.

Here is my 9 month old black rat. He hasn't turned, and that makes me wonder.

He is right at 34 inches.

Hmm - that's strange and interesting, but a nice looking snake any way. I had other black rats, back in the years before I had a digital camera - and I remember that a couple retained their juvenile patterns, but they were much darker than yours. Is that snake supposed to be het for anything? What are its origins? Any idea what its parents and / or siblings look like? There are several black rat morphs around - you might try to talk to someone else who knows more about them - like Will Bird (Extrordinary Ectotherms)...
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-Toby Brock
Southwestern Center for Herpetological Research

I don't have any history on him and I haven't seen his parents. I bought him from a bigger company last year. All I know is that he is het for nothing, and about 8 or 9 months old.

>>I don't have any history on him and I haven't seen his parents. I bought him from a bigger company last year. All I know is that he is het for nothing, and about 8 or 9 months old.

After that last post, I was thinking - he looks more like a gray rat to me. I don't have any expereince with that subspecies - just what I've seen in photos...
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-Toby Brock
Southwestern Center for Herpetological Research

In my opinion that snake looks to be an integrade of some sort or as Toby suggested have some other genetics going on. Time will tell. Nice animal non the less.
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Matt Kauffman

I agree. But only time will tell. Thanks guys.

Screamer bairds!
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Randy Whittington

Thanks Randy!

I had a pair of those Davis Mountains bairdi from Troy Hibbitts - and gave them to a local friend with the female gravid. I am (and have been for a while) very tempted to get back into them - one of the great things about gifting snakes to friends! LOL
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-Toby Brock
Southwestern Center for Herpetological Research

Love the Pantherophis forms. We have some of the same ones, but not too many...

Terry

>>Love the Pantherophis forms. We have some of the same ones, but not too many...
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>>Terry

Thanks Terry!

Here is one of your Brazos Island meahllmorum which I kept for a while...

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-Toby Brock
Southwestern Center for Herpetological Research

How about some intermontanes. I just took this pair out of brumation and hope they will breed this year. They are the Colorado form.

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Matt Kauffman

Great looking pair of intermontanus, Matt! Best of luck with them!
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-Toby Brock
Southwestern Center for Herpetological Research