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Its great to have RELEVANT debate from QUALIFIED herpers on these forums. I cant imagine how much the learning curve for herpers has been shortened through these forums. There are problems though. The biggest being a person with limited expirience trying to decipher who knows what and who to listen to. We are all on information overload and its so so so sad that when the "Para's" of the world start typing about things they know NOTHING about it LENGTHENS "newbies" learning curve, and the MONITOR SUFFERS. These f-ing idiots who muddy the waters when the FR's of the world are giving solid direction are so incredibly vexing...to the point they indirectly kill monitors. People can only comprehend so much and while "listening" to these arguements play out they become frustrated. If QUALIFIED persons could just give advice to people with questions then THEIR(the professional) time and energy could truly be harnessed by our herpng community. BUT just to make one point that is so clear to real herpers causes so much work even the qualified persons get tired. That is such a waste of resource. Out of respect for those with success and if they really care about herps they would quit this..."I gotcha Mr. Expert" attitude and quit confusing the issues. Often such in Paras case the 'i got you" isnt even relevant and they are too inexpirienced AND herp stupid to know they are wrong. My vote would be for the moderators to do something(even though censorship sucks its better than inefficient ways of learning.

The problem with censorship is that you are assuming everybody else is stupid and that only your opinion matter and is correct. Most military startegists agree that people who only judge people base on their outward appearance are stupid. You can't say gecko people are stupid and clueless; you can't say the same for iguana people either. I think that's base more on predjudice than facts and is very stupid. Nobody knows everything.

Furthermore, nobody is denying that Frank is an experienced keeper who has a lot of years behind him. He has a lot of knowledge from keeping and breeding these animals. But I think other people also have something to contribute and this is a open dicussion forum.

-mation and who is qualified to give it. Its about novice coming and garnering good information in efficient time spans for success. Sifting through wads of "para" professionals advice (a very common PREfix in many industries...ie para pro in education,para legal law ect) is inefficient,..I meant as indusrty term sorry your screen name is close and after reading your many post if shoe fits where it. This was not directed at you precisely.(seem mad at me personally about obesrvaton then using appropriate pre fix) this post was about efficient flow of solid information.
I dont mean there should not be challenge.
If someone really wants to push envelope then the "para' types should contact privately and explain their credentials...BUT DONT DISTRACT from known reputiple breeders who are here for the advancement of our indusry. that was point

Dude, I only post a couple times. And I only posted my opinions a couple times. If anybody sees that it's wrong, they can correct me...it's a dicussion forum. No need to get upset like this.

Hi Paradon, you keep saying such things as, nobody knows everything. Which is fairly ignorant. No one here, ever claimed to know everything, nor did anyone claim that you did not KNOW SOMETHING, the point is, you do not know anything about monitors. And you use to give advice base on something other then monitors. Sir that was the problem.

For instance, I hatched my first geckos in 1969 oct 9th. Yet I do not claim to be knowledgeable on Geckos. I sure have caught a bunch of species in nature, all over the world.

The point is, you make it based on your judgement that nobody knows everything, I could ask, who are you to make that judgement and what is everything? exactly.

If you would just qualify your responses, like state your ACTUAL experience

All in all, paradon, its not about knowing everything, its about knowing something about the keeping and breeding of monitors, which is clearly stated above. That is the subject of this forum. Thanks

First of all I just like to point out that I did kept a Savannah, that I nurse back to health, and then I gave him away to someone else. But you are right I don't have much experience with monitor (only one Savannah) compare to you. That's why I have stopped posting. I have only posted a couple times. I think I was a little overzealous back then, and plus people in my condition tends to get that way.

Besides if you wanto correct someone then go ahead... Nobody is saying your can't or it's a crime. You don't have to get upset and be rude to someone, like the way I use to see you do all the time back in teh days.

me get upset, heck no, this forum means very little to me. Truthfully, those that know me understand what I write on here in the mourning is forgotten by that afternoon.

Its actually sad, that people would rather play people games, all while monitors are dying in captivity. But they do.

what your doing is "people" games. No more and no less, you have stated, you do not like monitors, so why are you here?

Also, you claim experience from one sav for a few months, yet the people whom you are responding to have way more experience then you, yet you see fit to confuse them by acting like you know something.

Yes you can post and you should, but first decide why your doing so, if you do not like monitors, why are you here? If your experience is with other types of reptiles, why aren't you there?

it seems to me, you cannot stand anyone being precieved as smarter then you. So you had to come and act like you know something. The problem is, you don't. Which is very easy for the experience to tell.

In fact, all this time as gone by and you could have obtained a monitor and actually gained some experience. Why havn't you done that?

When ever you ask advice, make sure the one giving it is qualified to give that advice.

Consider, many here have vastly different backgrounds, there are pet keepers to long time breeders of many species.

Even many newbies bring alot to the table.

ALso make sure what your recieving is in context and relevent to you.

Make sure what your getting is labelled, as in theory, with paradon does, or reports from past experience. Whether the information is applied and appliable, or just talk.

Lastly, ask for proof/evidence, that the person is qualified to give the answer your interested in.

If the folks asking the questions would demand such stuff, there would be a whole lot less confusion. Best wishes