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A Savannah Monitor Survey

jarich Mar 12, 2012 10:50 AM

Hi All,

So as regards an earlier post I was hoping to see what all the Savannah monitor owners are doing with their animals. I would like to have this be a private matter that is sent to me in PM as I feel like people will likely answer more truthfully to the following questions. Please understand a couple things. Firstly, that I will most likely at some point be using this information collectively in an article on captive care. Secondly, that I will never use any personal information such as names, forum handles, or any other information that could trace anything back to a particular owner. In other words, I would never use any specific information in any public forum about a particular keeper or their practices. I am merely hoping to gather a larger sample size of how people are keeping this animal and any successes that might have come as a result. If you have the time please answer these questions for me and send them to me as a PM, unless you dont care and just want to answer them here.

1. How many Savannah monitors do you have, and what are the sexes of the animals, if known?

2. How old was the animal when you got it? If you do not know the age for sure, do you know how large the animal was?

3. How old is the animal now, and how large? If possible please give both length and weight.

4. Please describe everything you know about its care prior to your receiving it. Example, what habitat was it kept in? What was it fed? Was it kept with other Savannahs? Was it captive bred, captive hatched or wild caught?

5. What is the habitat you are presently keeping your Savannah(s) in? Please give measurements, substrate, depth of substrate, humidity and temperature, light source, etc.

6. What do you feed your monitor? Do you supplement their diet with any vitamin or mineral powders/sprays? Please be as specific as possible regarding species (if known) and percentage of total diet.

7. Do you raise your own feeder animals? If so what do you raise? If not, where do you buy your feeder prey?

8. How do you raise your feeders? Please give both the habitat for the feeder prey as well as the diet you raise them on.

9. What information source led you to the habitat and diet you presently have? Did you change these criteria at any point in your animals life? If so, when and why?

10. Have you ever owned Savannah's prior to the one(s) you have now? If so, please describe the same for those past monitors and why you changed your procedures. How old did the animal live and do you know the cause of death?

11. Have you ever bred this animal? If so how big was the clutch(es)? Of those eggs, how many hatched? Of those hatchlings, how many lived? Have those animals been raised to breeding age? If so, have they also bred?

Ive got a million more questions, but I dont want to go on endlessly. If the need arises I may try to contact each of you individually for further information. Honestly, I think with all the debate going on about various things, its past time for a survey of known practice and successes. This is genuinely about trying to see what is working and passing that information on to others. Thanks for your time and good luck with this amazing animal!

Replies (17)

jarich Mar 12, 2012 10:54 AM

I guess I dont actually know if you can PM here on Kingsnake. If its allowed the email address for responses is savannahmonitorsurvey@gmail.com Im sorry to the mods if addresses are not allowed.

murrindindi Mar 12, 2012 11:56 AM

Hi jarich, nothing wrong with wanting to so a survey, but to ask people to do it privately with you is not what these websites are about in my opinion. Either discuss the issues in public, or not at all..

Gregg_M_Madden Mar 12, 2012 01:36 PM

LOL.
He gave folks the option to either put it all out here or to PM him if they did not want the info to be seen by all. Not everyone is keen on admitting failures or talking about their success in a public forum.

I get what you are saying but not everything need to be aired on a public forum.

What the OP is doing is a good idea. Looking to compile data will be of benefit wether the original information is written on a forum or not.

robyn@ProExotics Mar 12, 2012 02:18 PM

Good data would be great, but not likely.

Tens of thousands of Savannahs are sold each year. I bet it is difficult to get decent answers to each question from a dozen keepers. That isn't worth much.
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murrindindi Mar 12, 2012 03:02 PM

Tens of thousands are bought then die each and every year, without doubt because they`re most often impulse buys by complete beginners, and so cheap they`re disposable items.
And the one`s that linger for a few years cannot be considered a success, nor have those particu;lar keepers achieved anything but abject failure...
Beginner teaches beginner, teaches beginner....

Gregg M. Madden, I know you have some success at keeping a Savannah monitor long term, you`re imput would be of value, but better if in public rather than private in my opinion, so will you give details of captive care here on the forum?
Thanks in anticipation!

dekaybrown Mar 12, 2012 08:17 PM

A lot of what is being asked has been addressed with some brilliant input from the top people in the field.

I know of several threads in active use right now on that subject.

Easy to find too, just check the reptile report.
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Wayne A. Harvey
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Varanus US
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PHFaust Mar 13, 2012 11:56 AM

>>LOL.
>>He gave folks the option to either put it all out here or to PM him if they did not want the info to be seen by all. Not everyone is keen on admitting failures or talking about their success in a public forum.
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>>I get what you are saying but not everything need to be aired on a public forum.
>>
>>What the OP is doing is a good idea. Looking to compile data will be of benefit wether the original information is written on a forum or not.

Ya know Gregg

We really learn best from others. We learn from mistakes made. I am forgetting who recently posted about his monitor passing and realized he was doing something wrong in the husbandry (was that Wayne?) and personally I felt that was the single best post I have seen comes across here in YEARS.

We all f up. It is best to own it and learn from it.
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dekaybrown Mar 13, 2012 02:19 PM

Yeah, it was me.

Starting all over, got 2 this time.

With the very kind help of some of the most advances keepers, I think I'll do a lot better this time.
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Wayne A. Harvey
Thamnophis US
Varanus US
too many darn snakes to list anymore...

murrindindi Mar 13, 2012 03:59 PM

You`re doing now what you didn`t do the first time Wayne; taking the time to learn about the animals and their needs and setting it all up before they arrived.
So good for you for admitting your mistakes in PUBLIC so others may learn, I wish you and them all the best, I`m SURE you can do it right this time!

PHFaust Mar 20, 2012 11:10 AM

>>You`re doing now what you didn`t do the first time Wayne; taking the time to learn about the animals and their needs and setting it all up before they arrived.
>>So good for you for admitting your mistakes in PUBLIC so others may learn, I wish you and them all the best, I`m SURE you can do it right this time!

Like I said, admitting the mistakes and SHARING them helps us all evolve as better keepers and that to me is priceless.
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jarich Mar 13, 2012 06:27 PM

Oh good grief. I wasn't saying it had to be private, merely, as Gregg suggested, giving people the option of replying in private. Sometimes people do not like to be cited or discuss things in a public forum. (I cant imagine why that might be. Ha! ) I will, of course, be sharing the general results in public, and have already gotten a number of responses that were helpful. Even information that seems useless at first may prove to be useful in the long term, so for those of you hesitant to respond, please do send me an email.

I noticed that no one has responded to the actual questions yet though. Cant help but think this thread might be more useful if even a couple of people responded!

murrindindi Mar 13, 2012 06:49 PM

Hi jarich, the problem I see is that as you say, the huge majority of keepers fail, there`s no secret why, so what are you hoping to learn from them that we don`t already know?
And the miniscule ammount of people that succeed I imagine would be happy to pass their experience and knowledge on in public (where are they)?
So how about you giving details of your Savannh monitor husbandry in public, that would be a start. Thanks!

jarich Mar 14, 2012 01:20 AM

I suppose if we knew it all already then there would be little point, you're right. Luckily, I don't think we will run into that problem anytime soon. The survey was something I was hoping to do in conjunction with one Im doing with vets and pet stores. Not only in an effort to compare the exact parameters of those who have had animals breed or live to older ages (in an effort to see if they are as uniform as we think) but to see the status of any changes in general knowledge that may have come about over time. I think you may be as surprised by the results as I have been.

The reason I will not likely go into the details of my particular husbandry here is for the same reason I haven't in another thread where you asked. If you are genuinely curious and not just looking for a fight, then start your own thread and Ill be happy to discuss it there. However, instead you seem to want to find some detail with which to derail discussions. This thread was something I started to gain some simple knowledge about individual practices. I never said anything about it having to be private, merely gave the option to people.

I have to admit, Im a little surprised by your constant need to seem superior. Lighten up dude.

RickAlbig Mar 14, 2012 01:23 PM

This quote unquote survey won't be very helpful to the public if it isn't.. uhm... public. Nothing new to come of these questions anyhow. Any answers (none have been public) would seem to better serve Jarich privately in his husbandry practices.

murrindindi Mar 14, 2012 01:36 PM

Actually jarich, the monitor looks quite healthy, good for you!
Maybe you`ll find the time to move the UVB tube within range when the "survey`s" complete??

crocdoc2 Mar 14, 2012 05:49 PM

To be honest, I don't quite understand the hostile responses to Jarich's request. He has never once said the results of the survey would be private. Quite the opposite - he's said that once the information is accrued he will make the overall findings public, without mentioning individual names of the people who have partaken. He's simply offering people the option to submit their personal experiences privately. Given what usually happens when someone admits error publicly on this forum, I don't think that's such a bad idea and may lead to him getting more responses than he normally would. I know there are a lot of people reading this forum that never post and this gives them a chance to share their results, good, bad or indifferent, without being singled out.

calebharris Apr 14, 2012 03:41 PM

I have to agree with you here. I don't often post anything, even successes, as this forum seems over run with people attacking begginners. It's especially disheartening when the "attackers" bring up problems or issues that the original poster addressed in their original post. With the current legislative "attacks" on our beloved hobby, I am sick of people with experience being such dicks to begginners, accusing them of impulse buying, and making many other irrelevant points. I wonder if jarich even got any responses to his original post, or if it all deteriorated into this. Lets have a giant arguement over semantics next. . .

Caleb

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