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those complex coachwhips

53kw Apr 04, 2012 02:36 PM

Matt is right, coachwhips are no boas. Any of the ambush hunters like boas will have a very different view of life from a hunter/chaser like a coachwhip. Tight spaces are claustrophobic for them, and they like obstacles that they can get behind but still see past, like piles of branches. Hot basking spots are a must but so is vigorous ventilation to pull the heated air out of the cage and avoid overheating the whole cage.

I have home made cages five or six feet long, with full-spectrum lighting including UV fluorescent bulbs at the warm end where the snakes spend time under the heat bulbs. A fan at the basking end pulls hot air out as cooler air flows in to replace it from a vent in the far end of the cage.

Some of my coachwhips eat live, some eat dead food placed on the floor of their cage, a few eat dead food wiggled on forceps. Some times of the year, my coachwhips eat almost nothing, which drives me crazy. During the warmest months they eat several times a week. The largest ones occasionally take small defrosted rats off forceps but for the most part, racers and coachwhips prefer meals about the size of their own head.

One of my baby coachwhips still eats anoles but the rest eat live or dead baby mice. The most regular feeder is almost three times the size of her brother from the same clutch. She always eats food delivered to the edge of her hiding bark. The rest eat out in the open.

Coachwhips and racers raised in captivity have no fear of me and either just watch when I put my hands into their cages for cleaning, or move toward me to chase me out of their territory.

I love racers and coachwhips for their spirit but they are a lot of work.

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mturner01 Apr 04, 2012 06:55 PM

I've been working with reptiles for just over 17 years now and I've had the great blessings of success with a wide variety of species. I can say that my last three years with racers and coachwhips have been some of my most rewarding.

As for caging, I use the old 6' slant-fronted neodesha cages. The tops are almost all screen and several screen vents are on each side. You are spot-on about air flow. My herp room has several ceiling fans and several oscillating floor fans around the room. You can actually feel a light breeze standing anywhere in my room. I have found this greatly benefits all my snakes, but I would say that space and airflow are essential to keeping sight hunters.

I use 5 gallon "rough tote" Rubbermaid boxes filled with moist sphagnum and placed on the cool side. I cut a 3" doorknob hole in one end and twist in a 2' section of corrogated drain pipe to mimic a burrow.

For heat, I use a 30-45 watt spot light to get a 95-ish basking spot. Heat is also essential and I regularly temp gun 100-105 on their body surface! Thanks to the big cage and ventilation, the humid box stays about 75 degrees.

Speaking to your comments about their intelligence: My very long-term female pink and I have a game we play on feeding day. When her meal is thawed, I let her see me approach her cage, which gets her very excited. I open the glass and can literally toss the mice or rats and she will catch them in mid-air. What else is interesting is that she only does this with me. When my wife or brother-in-law feeds her, she does not come out to greed them and would never take the food so eagerly, even when the exact same presentation of food is given. That's creepy smart for a snake. I'm in her small circle of trust, I guess.
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53kw Apr 05, 2012 05:42 PM

I'm pretty sure my racers and coachwhips are capable of facial recognition. They look at anyone in the room but I'm the only one they respond to. I'm the only one who feeds them. One of these days I'll run some experiments to collect real data to support or debunk my impressions.

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