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Morph guide?

AlexNevgloski Jun 18, 2012 01:15 PM

Is there an all inclusive, or close to inclusive, morph guide for corn snakes? I haven't worked with corns in a number of years and the sheer number of available morphs is dizzying.

I have been cruising various forums and it seems there are so many corn moprhs and variation within those morphs that their owners aren't always sure exactly what they have. I'm also not sure which of these morphs are line-bred, simple recessives, dominant or co-dominant traits.

I'm looking forward to working with corn snakes again, but I'd like to have some idea what I have when I purchase them. Thanks, Alex

Replies (6)

AlexNevgloski Jun 18, 2012 01:24 PM

Just found the cornsnakemorphgallery.com This looks promising so far.

DMong Jun 18, 2012 04:36 PM

Yes, that is a good one too. Here is another. There are countless other types of known colubrid morphs listed here on the left.

~Doug
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AlexNevgloski Jun 19, 2012 07:56 PM

Seems to me that there is some confusion with the naming of all these new morphs. I have seen a number of people post pics of their animals and wonder "what morph is this?" I know I certainly have never heard of many of these newer morphs, and with all the breeding that's going on there are more new flavors popping up regularly. It's exciting, but confusing (to me, for now).

DMong Jun 20, 2012 11:33 AM

Yeah, confusion and misidentification is a gross under-statement actually. There are more factors that contribute to this now days than you could possibly imagine. When there are a couple common equations (multi-morphs) to their genetic equation, they can very often "look" like they are a certain morph, but actually be something very different altogether. Also, without a breeder and/or buyer both knowing the precise parental genetic lineage, it can be virtually impossible to tell by many snake's outward visual appearance (phenotype) as well. When people acquire snakes from pet stores, shows or classified ads that are commonly sold as only what they seem to look like, then bred later on to other morphs, they can often produce countless unexpected surprises too. Test breeding is necessary in many cases to find out what many really are (or are not).

In short, there are TONS of cornsnakes (and other types too) out there in the hobby mainstream that are basically a huge "grab-bag" of unknown genetics. This is why if you want to know what genetic morph combinations a snake actually has, it's usually best to buy them from trusted sources that are very knowledgeable about the animals they work with. And by this same token, even then there are often scenarios of hidden genes the breeder's are not at all certain of either. Just one simple example would be an amel (albino) snake also being hypomelanistic. The hypo gene would then be "masked" visually by the albino gene leaving them looking virtually identical in most cases. Further still would be when any particular snakes in a given clutch are "possible" heterozygous gene carriers. Those cannot be distinguished from one another either until they are later test bred and you conclude what the parents are by what you breed it with and what your results are. This can definitely be half the fun, but it also leaves many unknown genetic possibilites too.

There are many other factors that can also be involved with many multi-morph snakes, and I see this all the time on a very daily basis. As you said, the typical guestion of"hey guys, what do you think this is I have?, any ideas?" is EVERYWHERE!..

cheers, ~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

HerpZillA Jun 22, 2012 02:33 PM

I had the idea long ago to offer a morph guide with pics of the snakes provided by breeders and links to their sites if they wants. No charge I've never been into making money lol, and it shows. I use to own cornsnakehelp back when I had inspiration to do some of my ideas. But really, a web site like that is so easy. You just need a few people to collaborate with images.

Think of the benefit, a nice site that many people find and use as a guide and links to your sites. find a simple domain and rock and roll. Once setup you update 2-4 times a year. Cool idea with bennies. When I had my corns i use to like that German lexicon site.

Seems like a winning idea to me. IMHO
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AlexNevgloski Jun 25, 2012 08:54 PM

Well put, Doug. I completely agree.

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