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fresh batch of lace monitors

crocdoc2 Jul 01, 2012 12:38 AM

My first clutch of lace monitor eggs from last season pipped a couple of days ago and are now all out of the egg. Eight in total, all perfect.

First one out:


Second egg box emerging:

After a bit of experimentation over the past few years, I'm a big fan of using the suspension method for incubating these eggs. I've never had an issue with hatch rate and couldn't really improve on that, but the added bonuses of the suspension method are:

1. Far less fiddling than with perlite when the egg boxes are being prepared. No hunting for the perfect perlite, no mixing, no weighing, nada. I use a bit of aquarium filter wool to stop the water from sloshing around when I move the egg boxes around and that's it.

2. Far less fiddling with the eggs during incubation. No need to put damp tissue over dented eggs or move overly-hydrated, turgid eggs to the centre of the egg box to dry them out. In fact, no more moving eggs around within the egg box to make sure they're all equally hydrated so that they hatch at approximately the same time.

3. Always a coordinated hatch. On perlite it wasn't unusual (until I started fiddling around, as mentioned in '2.') to have eggs from the same clutch hatch days, weeks or even months apart. With the suspension method they are all equally hydrated and all pip and hatch within a very short time frame, usually 2-3 days tops.

4. Larger, more robust hatchlings. This was the main reason I started experimenting with this technique to start with, after seeing the babies being produced by a good friend that has been using the suspension technique for years. With perlite, the size and build of the babies would depend on how dry/wet the perlite mix was, or often even the type of perlite used for larger grain perlite with less surface area per volume would remain wetter at the same weight than smaller grain perlite. Although the hatchlings might emerge at similar weights, depending on the incubation conditions (ie moisture levels) some of them might be small in body but with a large yolk reserve whereas others would be large in body, but with little yolk. With the suspension method my average hatchling weight has gone up a full 15% and the babies are all large, with a small yolk reserve. They spend very little time in the egg after pipping and come bursting out of the egg box when I open it. Although I used to leave them in the incubator for a few days after hatching, now I put them into the raise-up enclosure on the day they hatch.

5. Added bonus: No perlite in my nostrils, eyes and throat. Even when wearing a face mask I invariably coughed my guts out when I prepared egg boxes.

Replies (23)

Paradon Jul 01, 2012 01:34 AM

the colors look real! Very good looking monitors you got there! congrats!

Paradon Jul 01, 2012 02:36 AM

Sounds like a great technique if you asked me. i might try that with my box turtle and Russian tortoise if I can get them to breed.

Did you have to add water during incubation after some have evaporated and how much water do you put in tray? How much ventilation does it need?

crocdoc2 Jul 01, 2012 02:53 AM

I put holes in the lid and then cover the top with Gladwrap, which allows gas exchange while keeping the moisture in. Consequently I don't have to add water at all and only ventilate the egg box every four to six weeks.

Paradon Jul 01, 2012 02:58 AM

I didn't know glad wrap allow for air exchange but traps in moisture. That is brilliant!

Paradon Jul 01, 2012 03:00 AM

I have One more question if you don't mine. How much water do you put in the egg box?

crocdoc2 Jul 01, 2012 03:06 AM

The water is usually less than 1cm deep. Or would be if I didn't use something to soak it up - lately I've been using aquarium filter wool because it's inert and soaks up the water reasonably well, thereby preventing it from sloshing around when the egg box is moved.

Paradon Jul 01, 2012 03:14 AM

Thank you crocdoc2!

Paradon Jul 01, 2012 04:08 AM

I think method is actually easier than using the an incubation substrate...if you know what you are doing.

wldktrptls Jul 02, 2012 06:37 AM

Interesting how the grid leaves that beautiful crosshatching pattern on them! Gotta love those baby lacies! Congratulations!
guy

MikesMonitors Jul 01, 2012 08:14 AM

David
Beautiful hatchlings, as always!
Are these all still coming from your original pair?
Your Bells should be of breeding age now...has she been bred yet?

Mike
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crocdoc2 Jul 09, 2012 11:35 PM

Hi Mike,

The last two Bell's phase hatchlings I raised (siblings) turned out to be male. I have two others, a juvenile and a hatchling (from two different bloodlines) now.

These babies are all from my original pair, still going strong.

MikesMonitors Jul 10, 2012 09:25 AM

I for one would love to see them!
Mike
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Mike's Monitors!

crocdoc2 Jul 10, 2012 04:44 PM

meh, they look like Bell's phase lacies.

murrindindi Jul 01, 2012 12:35 PM

Well done as always David, beautiful monitors, and great to see you still have the same two long lived, healthy and productive parents producing them!

Gregg_M_Madden Jul 01, 2012 02:39 PM

Great job Dave. They are beautiful.
I guess what your are seeing using this system and the hundreds of other Varanids being hatched in it kind of blows FRs theories on monitor egg incubation and his rediculous claims of why this system does not work on them out of the water.

Johnantny Jul 01, 2012 08:46 PM

Gregg,

No need to mention names.. and don't forget, the "egg in substrate" method is still a tried and true method used in monitor egg incubation and beyond.

Great job, David.

Regards,

J

mshine92 Jul 01, 2012 08:50 PM

how much do they cost?

crocdoc2 Jul 01, 2012 09:32 PM

That depends on the country in which you live.

mshine92 Jul 01, 2012 09:41 PM

I live in san diego, California

crocdoc2 Jul 01, 2012 09:44 PM

Then you'll have to find them locally.

Robyn@ProExotics Jul 02, 2012 08:17 PM

Those are gorgeous, congrats!
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crocdoc2 Jul 09, 2012 11:36 PM

Thanks!

crocdoc2 Jul 09, 2012 11:39 PM

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