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Someone asked me last weekend at the San Diego Reptile show about where the Albino Pyros originated. I have to plead ignorance on this. Can anyone tell me where they came from? I.e did someone catch one in the wild, hatch one from an egg, or was it crossed with an albino Ruthveni? Inquiring minds wanna know.
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>>Someone asked me last weekend at the San Diego Reptile show about where the Albino Pyros originated. I have to plead ignorance on this. Can anyone tell me where they came from? I.e did someone catch one in the wild, hatch one from an egg, or was it crossed with an albino Ruthveni? Inquiring minds wanna know.
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Jeff Teel and Terry Dunham had the first that I know of.....
As far as I know it was not a ruthveni cross, but hatched out of captive bred animals.

BTW...I saw your killer Agalma on Sterling's table and had to force myself not to buy them....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I was looking into this also. Apparently, I think there were two sources. If you search Terry Dunham's comments on line way back when they originally came from Brian Barcyk. This is what Lori Barcyk wrote to me below recently.

"yes they are pure. We have been working with this line since the early 90's. They originate from a spontaneously produced animal. the parents were 2 snakes that were purchased from pet stores in Kansas."
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Lori
BHB Enterprises

Another group of adults came from Ric Blair who sold off his collection several years ago. According to people who purchased those animals, they came from Randy Limburg and they are from Santa Rita origins. I don't know how to contact Randy to confirm this story and would love if someone can confirm this. Regardless, both lines seem to be pure pyro and have no ruthveni influence.

>>I was looking into this also. Apparently, I think there were two sources. If you search Terry Dunham's comments on line way back when they originally came from Brian Barcyk. This is what Lori Barcyk wrote to me below recently.
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>>"yes they are pure. We have been working with this line since the early 90's. They originate from a spontaneously produced animal. the parents were 2 snakes that were purchased from pet stores in Kansas."
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>>Lori
>>BHB Enterprises
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>>Another group of adults came from Ric Blair who sold off his collection several years ago. According to people who purchased those animals, they came from Randy Limburg and they are from Santa Rita origins. I don't know how to contact Randy to confirm this story and would love if someone can confirm this. Regardless, both lines seem to be pure pyro and have no ruthveni influence.

And that is why I typed "they had the first that I know of"
Thanks for that info on Brian and Randy.....

Doesn't Ryan Hoyer have most of those Ric Blair Pyros now?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

i'm sure ryan has whatever ric did not/was not able to sell. i bought an adult pair of albino pyros and brian suter who was advertising some babies bought an adult pair from ric. if i remember right he had mutiple adults/juevis when he sold his collection.

The animals Ric had also came from Terry-(which are the BHB animals). I'm too lazy right now to do a search on the forums. We used to have a website up dedicated to pyros where we had articles written up on each of the pyro morphs. It was from non locale generic hobby pyros that the albinos popped out of. The cool thing was in that same clutch, a hypo was in there. It is the same thing as the anery and hypo Black Gap alterna, where both morphs came from the same line-(pair). They are pure, one of the most logical reasons for people to notice they are pure is there was NEVER any hypo ruthevni. Terry got some of the first animals Brian let go of way back when. The cool part about the albino and hypo gene coming from the same strain is it was easy to get the double homo-(hybino) the snake showing both albino and hypo at the same time. I believe it was 2010 or '09 when I hatched the first 100% known hybino. All in all a pretty cool project. I don't have nearly the numbers of morph pyros as I did-(my collection is pretty much all 100% locale animals) but I do have a few morphs left. My plan now is to work towards producing some double hets for applegate/hypoE-(have some adults already) hypoE/albino, sentz hypo/hypoE, all of those will be produced next year too.
Jeff

that's very interesting. that's how i understood it also. now one of these guys who's posting up albino pyros gave me this story below. i passed on the purchase cuz' i couldn't verify it with randy limburg. maybe he can come on the forum and explain this e-mail he sent to me below when i was inquiring about them.

"To the best of my knowledge they are pure pyro, and it matters a lot to me. Here's what I can tell you. I got my breeders from Ric Blair, who, until he stopped breeding a few years back, was one of the most reputable sources of locality specific and pure animals where it mattered, like Thayeri, Gray-bands, Mtn. Kings, and Rosy boas. I actually questioned Ric about it, not because at the time I was worried about them being pure, but because I was interested in the locality.

He told me that they were in fact pure pyro, and the albinos came directly from animals collected by Randy Limburg in the Santa Rita Mtns. What I don't know is, if Randy collected an actual albino, or if he had an animal that was a gene carrier. If you know who Randy Limburg is, I don't think it gets much more reputable."

My quoted email says it all I suppose, not much more to add to it really. Ric did not tell me exactly where his source animals came from, that was just his answer to my question. And I still trust the info.

One other thing that has led me to at least believe there may be some fact there, I had 2 people this year, inquire about these pyros, and their initial question asked if my albino pyros were the ones that originated in the Santa Rita area. So, that is out there for sure, because I hadn't even responded to them at that point.

In the end, I have still only heard orgin stories that make them pure. I have yet to hear anyone mention that they crossed them, or knew who did, to create the albino. Despite plenty of people arguing it, I haven't heard anything that really shed doubt on it other than "someone told me those were crosses."

I do wish, that if my email was going to be copied and pasted here as I sent it, I would've been told. Especially when it said maybe I could come on here an comment, lol. I love to be part of these discussions, but only get on the forums every so often with a house full of kids and animals that need my attention. I never stop learning from good posting.

I do think that after this year, I am going to sell my breeders, I've got my hands in some other projects, that are taking enough time and money, and it hasn't been as enjoyable defending these fantastic snakes every other inquiry. It's amazing how many people with no interest really, just bash things. And since I only do it for the enjoyment in the end, it's taken some of the fun away.
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Brian Suter

www.serpenteer.com

i was at the anaheim show and met with the three rosy boa book guys (including randy limburg). he said that he in no way found any or produced any albino pyros and the only albino pyros that he is aware of came from brian barcyk including the colony ric blair had. hypos have popped out of this line also and therefore it is thought of as pure since there are no hypo ruthveni in the hobby. hope this clarifies everything.

It doesn't get any better than that. That's fantastic to get that clarification. Straight from the source. As an aside, I love the pics in the Rosy Boa book.
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Brian Suter

www.serpenteer.com

i had to buy a hard cover version of the rosy book for that info!@#! the three were nice enuff to sign it though.

Thanks for chiming in Jeff.....
Great info...thanks for sharing.....

Now...when are you going to let go of some of those Hypoerythristics?....lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Bob Applegate I think.