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Have you info about this one: http://www.generalexotics.com/snakes/rat-snakes-for-sale/snow-emoryi-rat-snake
Do you know an axanthic emoryi?
Thanks for your help!
Manu.

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Not sure at all of the specific origin of those, but you might want to check with Mark and Kim Bell of "Reptmart" to see what they say about it's genetic origin.

This is the very same photo as a matter of fact on their list.

LINK

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>>Not sure at all of the specific origin of those, but you might want to check with Mark and Kim Bell of "Reptmart" to see what they say about it's genetic origin.
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>> This is the very same photo as a matter of fact on their list.
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>>"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"
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>>serpentinespecialties.webs.com

I'd really like to know the genetics behind this...I've seen albino, chocolate and and hypo emoryis but never anery...so snow is interesting...of course I haven't been keeping up very well either.
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Jimmy Johnson
Draybars Snakes

"I'd really like to know the genetics behind this...I've seen albino, chocolate and and hypo emoryis but never anery...so snow is interesting...of course I haven't been keeping up very well either"

Yes, I know exactly what you mean Jimmy. Those were the only true emoryi morphs I knew about until just recently too. The original amel "chocolate" (hypermelanistic) I know of that KJ produced one of only two in probably 2007 had lots of underlying yellow pigment(xanthin).

What I think those snow emoryi actually are is amel x chocolate (hypermelanistic). The very same gene combination of hypermelanistic x amel in Cal. kings will produce totally patternless snows known as "blizzards" as well.

KJ Lodrigue had one of only two known amel chocolates back in 2008 and was a subadult at the time, only it was patternless with a solid light yellow/orange coloration. I am guessing that not all amel chocolates since then were patternless OR yellow, and when their hypermelanistic trait is cancelled out with the additional amel gene, a snow phenotype is produced, even though it isn't the standard amel x anery, or amel x axanthic as in Florida kings and a few other colubrids.

The "snow emoryi being a colorless amel x hypermel seems to make the best sense, since other hypermels x amels can also produce neutral snow phenotypes as well.

BTW, best of luck with your hatching season too!..

cheers, ~Doug
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Just for info here is the answer from the seller:

"Manu,
The history on these Snows are as follows. We received a pair of adult standard Emory Rats that produced Albinos. When we raised the Albinos and bred them back to each other and then to the mother of the Albinos the first ever Snows were produced. Because of what a wild type Emory looks like it is very hard to tell a visual Anery from a het Anery.
The original breeding stock came from Mark & Kim Bell from Reptile Industries."

For me the double homo albi/chocolat is the "golden" emoryi and not the snow!

The first Chocolat come from the wild find by Don from SMR!

Greetings from Belgium,

Manu.

(ps: I'm looking for chocolat emoryi since a long time, if someone can help me it will be great!!!)

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Thanks for that info on their origin.

Yes, I was also kicking around that possibility since as you mentioned you wouldn't be able to distinguish a very dark genetic axanthic (no yellow/orange) from a dark melanized normal phenotype if it did have some yellow/orange mixed in or underlying the melanin.

cheers, ~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

>>Thanks for that info on their origin.
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>>Yes, I was also kicking around that possibility since as you mentioned you wouldn't be able to distinguish a very dark genetic axanthic (no yellow/orange) from a dark melanized normal phenotype if it did have some yellow/orange mixed in or underlying the melanin.
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>>cheers, ~Doug
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>>serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Hmmm...It would be hard to distinguish wouldn't it?
I e-mailed the sellers yesterday and asked about it but they haven't replied yet. I'm sure they're pretty busy this time of year.
I actually got three albino emoryis this year..only had one pair hook up (het to albino) and got three albinos and two normals..not too bad but should have had three more clutches..
emoryis are a lot better snakes then people seem to realize... underrated like bairdis.

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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
Draybars Snakes

Yeah, it certainly would be difficult (to impossible) to distinguish between the two. Glad you got some more amels going Jimmy. They sure are neat and unerrated snakes. I always really liked the fact that the original amel corn gene and the newer amel emoryi gene were totally incompatible and non-allelic. It just makes them that much more unique.

Best of luck with looking into some of those snows!

cheers, ~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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