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Post you locality corns here. Don't matter what what locality...post them all. But only known localities please.
It will be nice to see how the localities differ.
Thanks

Here's an old pic of a Charlotte Cty. Va. local!
Jeff

That's the first Va. locale I've seen. Very Okeetee like. Thanks.
Hmmm I wonder how many localities will be posted...thats one.

That one had more orange than any I've seen in Va.!Most look kinda like Miamis like this one also from Charlotte Cty.Va.!
Jeff

My real-locality Okeetee corn, 2010 male, from John Meltzer:

The day I bought him:

A pic of him 6 months later:

Most recent pic, and he is still growing:

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Genesis 1:1

very nice oak, and cool to see the aging.
thanks
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Thanks for reading.
Tom

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Thanks Tom!
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My favorite locale of my favorite species. I MUST get a pair of those.
BEAUTIFUL boy there.

Thanks!!!
Much appreciated!
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Nice, he's a real beauty DISCERN! I really like the orange.....
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Dallas R. Hawks

Thank you sir!
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A very unique looking aberrant corn captured by my friend Gerard S. down in extreme southern Miami/Dade County, Florida very close to Everglades National Park. He was just a tiny hatchling when captured.

Another photo later on as he grew a bit more just prior to me owning him. He is now a young adult.

Another Miami corn from Miami/Dade county I have that was also found in very close proximity to the aberrant corn in the above photos.

An awesome Miami corn female I owned many years ago found in Broward County, Florida just one county north of Miami.

A very bizarre extremely hyper-melanistic Miami corn found in Broward county as well. Note the VERY gray background and the solid BLACK portions that stop mid-way dorsally almost as though they were masked-off and painted!

A nice female corn I found in an orange tree across the street from where I used to live in Brevard County, Florida. She was found as a young yearling of about 19 inches, and later matured into a very large 5-1/2 foot individual that produced 35 good eggs her first year breeding!. She is known as "Big Bertha" to me and Jorge Sierra who now owns her...

a pic of her shedding outside.....

cheers, ~Doug
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Wow..All are very nice.
BiG Bertha is the largest female I've ever heard of and I've only seen one or two males in that size range. Is her large size genetic? Has her offspring grown to be large adult?

Thanks!,....

Well, I don't really know about how large any of her offspring have grown thus far because I sold them all a couple years ago, and even they wouldn't be fully-grown just yet. Of course it also greatly depends on the male's genetic pre-disposition for size that she was bred with too. He was not huge by any means and was average sized. She sure did dwarf the Miami corn males that Jorge had her with though, and Miami's are noted for being smaller anyway. He has a pic of them together for comparison if he chimes in.

I've seen some real MONSTER South Carolina Okeetee females in past years that were pretty close to 6 feet long and very stocky, and a few gigantic male Okeetees that were every bit of 6 feet or extremely close to it as well. Those seem to have the largest size genetics.

cheers, ~Doug
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Unreal Doug!
Awesome specimens bro!!

Does it get any better than that?
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Genesis 1:1

Thanks Billy!,....

Your locale Okeetee is really looking sweet these days...

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Thanks man!
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Genesis 1:1

Very nice Doug - all of them.
Was anything ever done with that dark Miami as far as seeing if it's genetic?

Tim

Thanks Tim!,.....

Well, unfortunately no. I sold it before I did anything with it. Definitely something I wished I never did now....*sigh*

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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I remember the first time I saw that picture i tried to buy it from you! Lol!
Jeff

LOL!,....yeah Jeff, I remember that too. That was a long time ago in the early-mid 90's when I had her. I sure wish I had her now.....arrrgh!!...

~Doug

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These are a couple of Dekalb County, Alabama examples that I got from Jimmy (Draybar). I'm looking to breed them next year. I'm a fan of earthtone colors and I really like these.

Female:

Male:

This was a nice idea for a thread - I really like locality stuff!

Tim
Third Eye Herp

Those are really nice Tim! This is a cool thread!!
Jeff

These are sibling females I hatched from eggs laid by a wild caught female in Columbia County, North Fl. Amazing how different they were. I favored the one with the higher contrast. These are the foundation of my corn snakes.

--Dennis

Now that’s some extreme variability. Do you have a pic of the WC mom?

Sorry, no. I intended to photograph her. I picked her up about dusk as she was crossing the road. I put her in a box and the next morning there were 6 eggs and a total surprise! She was actually so plain I just didn't take her picture. Four eggs hatched. One didn't want to eat pinkies, the third was a male, and the 2 pictured.

--Dennis

Here is a another locality Okeetee. She came from Scott John a few years back. She has a different "look" than most Okeetees. Maybe Scott will chime in on her history but I believe her mom was held back because of this appearance. There is a LOT of variability in this locality.

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Dallas R. Hawks

Hey Dallas...here are some of my Okeetees.

This is one of my original breeder females. This snake produced for me for about 18 years laying about 30 eggs/year. She was produced from some wild caught individuals from a couple of friends that used to hunt the Okeetee area a lot. I was able to obtain some nice offspring they produced from these snakes and have kept the line going ever since. I started with these guys in the mid 80s and have sold many to lots of people. The John Melzer line I believe are originally from me...he got several Okeetees from me a while back.

This was one of my favorite snakes I produced. She devloped these dark longitudinal lines like the ones you see in the wild.

This is one of my current breeders, she looks a lot like the ones people get from Melzer and she looks a lot like the one Dallas has too.
Scott John Reptiles

" I started with these guys in the mid 80s and have sold many to lots of people. The John Melzer line I believe are originally from me...he got several Okeetees from me a while back. "

Scott,

Just to clarify, John Meltzer's line of locality Okeetees is and has never been from your line, as I have firsthand knowledge of that information.

John obtained his founding stock in the late 70's from a field herper/collector named Terry, and has been keeping and breeding them ever since. He obtained North Carolina SandHills corns from you at one time years ago, and sold them a year later, not breeding them together or with anything of his. Then, you both swapped Okeetee corns another time, and he then sold off the corns he got from you to clients of his, to fill orders, never raising them up and breeding them into his own line.

Hope this helps and clears up any confusion.

Killer corns, by the way!!

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Genesis 1:1

OK....good info I always wonder what happens to things that you send out to people down the road....but I guess I was right in that he did get some Okeetees from me, but the ones he has look a lot like mine. BTW I wish I still had the sandhill corns they were nice.

I wish you still had the NC northern pines!
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These are from Orangeburg County In central South Carolina. They were collected near the town of Wolfton, SC.

Bedford County VA

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Wow! That's the prettiest one I've ever seen from Va.!
Jeff