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A couple of females I am keeping from the ten baby clutch of Zunchara/Zane. Actually am keeping entire clutch and also have three babies from F2 parents a friend gave me, which are heavy black, so I will have a couple of unrelated males for these girls when breeding occurs in a few years. There actually is more red on the little girls but my photo skills are limited. Anyway, I am going in a totally different direction from the more common reduced black, obviously! LOL!

Also plan to breed the same parents again next season.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Bob, as you know, I think those are some of the coolest looking pyros around!!! You definately have something going there if you can reproduce those mega-banded pyros. VERY neat looking. The top girl looks to have more off-white bands and the bottom one pure white. Is that just the photo or is that the case?

Joe

Thanks, Joe!
The photo reflects the white and off white band colors correctly. The red shows up more from a side view but they are in a small cooler as sort of a light box, so I can contain them while taking their picture. I have a couple of brothers with high band count as well, like 76 bands.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Very Very cool!

Do you have pics of the other neonates from this clutch?

Neat project for sure!

-Rusty

Thanks! Here are the babies, #1 escaped major bummer. I think it is in my front garden somewhere. Lots of lizards and water source so maybe it will survive. Gave #10 to friend prior to this photo shoot.

#1

#2

#3

#4

#5

#6

#7

#8

#9

Group shot #10 is in lower right of photo.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Parents this last March making these babies. Sorry about fuzzy photo. Dam is big one, sire is little one. Unrelated stock, a bonus.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Really Really nice!!!

Love the wide white as well..very cool project.

-Rusty

Thanks! The wide white comes from the mama. I didnt get a male wide band baby to eventually mate back to her or to her daughters, so will have to just try the same male as before next year, I guess.

The sire carries the mega band gene, even though he himself does not have mega bands. In the stock he hails from, mega bands do show up. But the mega band baby I have has broken the record! LOL!
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Great looking babies!. I remember seeing you post on our old pyro site. Any locale info on the parents ?. Reminds me of the Baubel stuff (sorry if I miss spelled that name ? ). Some of those are crazy cool looking though.

Thanks!
The sire is descended from wild stock my friend found near Davis Mt in Arizona in 1998. He was out at night hiking around in this area when he found first one pyro, then soon after a second one, a male and a female.
Here is a 2.1 trio my friend hatched out for me from his old F2 stock.The parents to these babies are like 13 years old and he thought he'd give them a go, since I wanted something as close to the original wild as possible. He doesnt have the originals anymore. These babies will be incorporated into my project.

The dam I got from a reptile store in 2008. The owner would buy whole clutches from local breeders and then put them all in a big room and lose track of who came from where, so I have no way of knowing her lineage. The only thing I know for sure is she is not from my friends stock.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Gorgeous pyros. I have always been a fan of high black crossover pyros and your blank and whites are gems! As Jeff said, they do remind me of Chris Baubel's stock.

Very cool that you have locality info for the sire.

Thanks!
It is totally serendipity that I wound up with the pyros I have, both babies and adults.

The dam came from a reptile store and was an impulse buy when I went there to get a replacement male for a non feeder male (did not realize at the time that they do go off feed in the fall! LOL!) So I got the new male, which is the sire and brother to the male that had gone off feed, and got the female that is the dam as the impulse buy. Later I was able to find out who the breeder was of the male, as his stock was easily recognizable, but the data on the female was lost in the wind. The owner of the reptile store retired that year as well. The breeder of the male became my friend, and we share pyro resourses and adventures. Having this friend is an added bonus, for sure!

None of this would have come into my life had I not been so ignorant about pyros going off feed with the winter season! Brumation; D'Oh!

Parents this last spring. The previous year she had a different mate but nothing came of it. That other male is the no black crossover and few bands type, and I have given him to my friend, who prefers that type. I only mated her to the sire of this year's clutch to see if anything would happen with this big 4 year old girl, not knowing what treasures would emerge from this pairing.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Spectacular!
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Jerry Kruse

www.zonatas.com

What comes around goes around -- and it's on its way.

Thanks!

Took this photo of 86 band one while doing water bowls in brumation room. Am hoping to produce a unique line with these babies.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Hey Bob, most people count bands only to the vent. From the top view, a lil hard to tell, but I count 70 to the vent...which is still insane.
Jeff

I know, Joecop also told me that. But my friend and I are stubborn and prefer to count all the bands, as my friend says since there are also bands on the tail why not count those as well. Why do others just count up to the vent?
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Tail length can vary from animal to animal, and males tend to have longer tails than females. That's my guess. The length of many reptiles are also measured snout to vent, rather than to the tail for the same reason.

The band counts on those pyros are huge, well into the knoblochi range. I also haven't seen too many pyros where the white bands are wider than combined width of the red and black. Very unique.

It was explained to me about the tail length so now I understand the reasoning behind just counting to the vent. Like, a snake can be born with a stub tail or have lost a part to injury.

Thanks for the nice comment. I think the dam to this clutch may have some knoblochi in her background as she is over 40 inches long and very stout, much bigger than my other pyros.

Here she is in crummy over-exposed shot of her laying her ten egg clutch. She also laid one little dud. I didnt want to bother her during this effort, so only took one shot.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

WOW Gorgeous man. stunning absolutely stunning.

Thanks! I am missing them now as all are brumating; only see them when I check their water bowls once a week...
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.