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On the 12th July My 11 eggs hatched from my White Sided Black Rat Snakes all eleven hatched but one had different markings and pink eyes. After six weeks the etes started to get more pigment and now the eyes are white with black pupils. See the picture.
Has this happened to anyone else and any ideas what it is morph wise.
The parents are normal white sided the female four years old and the male almost 3 years old first clutch.

Cheers John (UK)
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1:2.. Pituophis catenifer (melanoleucus) sayi (Bull Snake)
1:1.. Pituophis deppi jani Mexican Bullsnake
0:1.. Boiga Cyanea
1:1.. Gonyosoma oxycephalum (Silver Phase)
0:1.. Eryx miliaris nogaiorum
1:1:1. Elaphe o. obsoleta (liquorice stick or white sided rat snakes)
0:1.. Eryx jaculus
1:1.. Lampropeltis pyromelana woodini (Huachuca Mountain Kingsnake)
1:2.. Elaphe bimaculata (Twin-spotted Rat Snake)
0:1.. Elaphe sauromates
2:2.. Candoia carinata paulsoni (Soloman Island ground Boas)
2:1.. Calabaria reinhardtii
1:1..Acantophis dumerili
1:1..Lampropeltis py. woodini (Huachuca Mt. Kingsnake)
1:1..Masticophis flagellum testaceus (Western coachwhip)
1:0..Vietnam blue beauty
0:0:2..Pantherophis obsoletus quadrivittatus (Yellow ratsnake)
Lizards
1:0..Tupinambis teguixin ssp. (Golden Tegu)
0:1..Uromastyx acanthinurus
1:1..Pogona henrylawsonii [brevis] (Rankins Dragons)
Arachnid’s
Pterinochilus murinus
Kilimanjaro Sootyback
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Sorry cannot get the link to work to see the hatchling try this link.

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/Newearth2006/whitesided_06.jpg

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1:2.. Pituophis catenifer (melanoleucus) sayi (Bull Snake)
1:1.. Pituophis deppi jani Mexican Bullsnake
0:1.. Boiga Cyanea
1:1.. Gonyosoma oxycephalum (Silver Phase)
0:1.. Eryx miliaris nogaiorum
1:1:1. Elaphe o. obsoleta (liquorice stick or white sided rat snakes)
0:1.. Eryx jaculus
1:1.. Lampropeltis pyromelana woodini (Huachuca Mountain Kingsnake)
1:2.. Elaphe bimaculata (Twin-spotted Rat Snake)
0:1.. Elaphe sauromates
2:2.. Candoia carinata paulsoni (Soloman Island ground Boas)
2:1.. Calabaria reinhardtii
1:1..Acantophis dumerili
1:1..Lampropeltis py. woodini (Huachuca Mt. Kingsnake)
1:1..Masticophis flagellum testaceus (Western coachwhip)
1:0..Vietnam blue beauty
0:0:2..Pantherophis obsoletus quadrivittatus (Yellow ratsnake)
Lizards
1:0..Tupinambis teguixin ssp. (Golden Tegu)
0:1..Uromastyx acanthinurus
1:1..Pogona henrylawsonii [brevis] (Rankins Dragons)
Arachnid’s
Pterinochilus murinus
Kilimanjaro Sootyback
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Looks more like a hypo WS. If yo can please post a pic along side a sibling for comparison.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

Sorry I do not have any of the siblings they were sold on. I kept this one back as it was so different and at the time had pink eyes.

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1:2.. Pituophis catenifer (melanoleucus) sayi (Bull Snake)
1:1.. Pituophis deppi jani Mexican Bullsnake
0:1.. Boiga Cyanea
1:1.. Gonyosoma oxycephalum (Silver Phase)
0:1.. Eryx miliaris nogaiorum
1:1:1. Elaphe o. obsoleta (liquorice stick or white sided rat snakes)
0:1.. Eryx jaculus
1:1.. Lampropeltis pyromelana woodini (Huachuca Mountain Kingsnake)
1:2.. Elaphe bimaculata (Twin-spotted Rat Snake)
0:1.. Elaphe sauromates
2:2.. Candoia carinata paulsoni (Soloman Island ground Boas)
2:1.. Calabaria reinhardtii
1:1..Acantophis dumerili
1:1..Lampropeltis py. woodini (Huachuca Mt. Kingsnake)
1:1..Masticophis flagellum testaceus (Western coachwhip)
1:0..Vietnam blue beauty
0:0:2..Pantherophis obsoletus quadrivittatus (Yellow ratsnake)
Lizards
1:0..Tupinambis teguixin ssp. (Golden Tegu)
0:1..Uromastyx acanthinurus
1:1..Pogona henrylawsonii [brevis] (Rankins Dragons)
Arachnid’s
Pterinochilus murinus
Kilimanjaro Sootyback
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It would have been nice to have the other sibs in the same photo for comparison, but I tend to agree with Jorge (A153fish) as well. It seems to be a hypo. The eye issue turning from red to seemingly "black" does seem a bit odd, but I have a t-plus/hypo "moonshine" morph ratsnake that had seemingly stark black pupils do the exact opposite, and turned from what seemed to be very solid black pupils to ruby-red later on.

"After six weeks the etes started to get more pigment and now the eyes are white with black pupils"

BTW, what's a "etes"...

locale-specific "Moonshine" as a young hatchling.....

Same snake later on. They are very deep ruby/bloodred colored in this photo, but it's not clearly seen in this particular photo.

They aren't quite as light as this photo depicts either because of the flash. But they are definitely a deep red, and not black at all.

Here is it's lighter sibling that displayed much lighter pinkish/red eyes right from the beginning....

Same lighter one in above photo as it matured.....

Just for giggles, here is a normal het "moonshine" morph sibling from the two locale-specific S. Carolina parents that produced the above hatchlings.

Now just to make it clear, this definitely is not to say yours is anything remotely close to being the same thing that these are, because they definitely are not natural intergrade "moonshine" rats from S.Carolina as these two are, but rather it's just a simple comparison of things that happen that cannot be easily explained. That's a pretty cool animal you have there, and I would certainly hang onto it and see what it becomes as it matures more.
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Seems like everyone agrees on Hypos so I’ll go with that. Strange about the eyes though.
Etes sorry typo thick fingers for eyes.
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1:1.. Mexican Black King Snake (Lampropeltis getula nigrita)
1:1.. Aesculpean snake (Zamenis longissimus)
2:2.. Pituophis deppi deppi
1:1.. Elaphe schrencki schrencki(Russian Rat Snake)
1:1.. Boiga Cyanea
0:1.. Eryx miliaris nogaiorum
0:1.. Eryx jaculus
1:2.. Elaphe o. obsoleta (liquorice stick or white sided rat snakes)
1:0.. Lampropeltis pyromelana woodini (Huachuca Mountain Kingsnake)
1:1..Acantophis dumerili
2:1..Vietnam blue beauty
Lizards
0:1..Uromastyx acanthinurus
Arachnid�s
Pterinochilus murinus
Kilimanjaro Sootyback
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