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88 days and...

RG Nov 28, 2012 01:43 PM

my last Hondo clutch of the season is out!

I don't keep my eggs in a tightly controlled environment, just in a closet, within a plastic “shoe box”, so the temps fluctuate between 74-82 everyday. The gradual decrease in daytime temps, due to our harsh Florida winter pushes hatching times out a week or so.

The sire: Triple Homozygous

Don’t have any good recent pics, so here he is as a neonate:

Here are a couple close ups of him with a snow for comparison (he’s lighter in color than the snow):

The dame: Hypo Het Snow

This clutch was really weird/unique too, for a few reasons.
1) The female (Hypo Het Snow) was "gravid" for well over 65 days. I set her up per my usual schedule after her “pre lay shed” but no eggs. Shortly after her not laying I offered her a meal, she then started to feed, although sporadically. She maintained her swollen/gravid state and I was very concerned for her health… until I checked her one day and saw two slugs in her cage. I immediately prepped an egg box and she laid a few more slugs over the next few days. Unfortunately, she decided to lay right as we were leaving for a (short) weekend vacation. When I returned home, I found only two eggs that were laid in the "egg chamber" so the others had dried out. ( I did try to re-hydrate them, but no luck.)

2) This was the first clutch, which I’m aware of, in which a Triple Homozygous has been proven (sire or dame)!

3) I thought I had another Triple Homozygous! When I candled one egg about two weeks ago, as you can see by the following photo, there was no visible sign of a banded Hondo inside. All I saw was a faint shadow of a “transparent body”. I would have put money on it at the time! I even called a couple of my friends to “predict it”…(insert foot in mouth here)!
I guess this observation is just another tid bit of information about when Hondos really start to develop color/pigment. (I don’t typically candle my eggs after the first few days of being laid, but around day 75, I was concerned that the eggs weren’t fertile or had gone bad… due to no signs of egg indentations. My eggs tend to dent in around a week or more prior to pipping.)

Late Candling Shot:

Example of denting eggs:

Here are the HUGE clutch photos!

1st Pippage (day 83):

You can actually see the Tricolor banding in the egg on the right. Sometimes you get these opaque windows in the eggs, it's kinda like a smoked glass appearance.

1st out (day 86):

Tangerine Hypo Het Snow @ 22 grams


2nd out (day 88):

Tricolor Hypo Het Snow @ 24 grams


Both are very chubby evenly banded Hondos...and being 100% Het for Snow is just awesome!

Hope you enjoyed the post…

-Rusty

Replies (14)

DMong Nov 28, 2012 02:58 PM

Excellent post Rusty, as well are the babies!

Yeah, even though they aren't triple homo pearls like you were hoping for, you can't beat them being known 100% het amel/anery (snows).

Congratulations on the nice looking hatchlings and your awesome post Rusty!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

RG Nov 29, 2012 12:50 PM

Yeah, maybe next year...the problem is I have some many possible pairings up in the air for next year...it's going to be fun deciding what to put with what!

Denbar Nov 28, 2012 03:29 PM

Nice Rusty. Those two are beautiful and chubby for sure. Glad you had this late clutch, as I was beginning to suffer from not seeing any new hondo hatchlings for an extended period. Keep up the good work.

--Dennis

RG Nov 29, 2012 12:51 PM

Thanks Dennis...now if I can get my Hognose to breed soon that would be even better!

I could deal with having neonates every 6 months!

don shores Nov 28, 2012 04:17 PM

Nice snakes Rusty. It would have been nice to see another triple homozygous.

RG Nov 29, 2012 12:52 PM

I agree Don...sorry for getting you all worked up for nothing!

There is always next year...

tspuckler Nov 28, 2012 05:59 PM

Wow, that was a long wait...but I reckon the results were worth it.

Very nice, Rusty!

robhaneisen Nov 28, 2012 09:17 PM

Great post Rusty. That was a long wait but the size and health of those two made it worth your while. I'm curious as to anyone's theories why we haven't seen more offspring from triple-homos? Could it simply be that there are not that many of them to begin with? Or could it be the result of inbreeding?

Rob Haneisen

RG Nov 29, 2012 12:56 PM

I think there just aren't that many Triple-Homozygous out there...I know of two for sure, but I'm sure someone has a Snow from a Triple Het Breeding that is a Triple, it's probably in a petstore somewhere!

I'd like to hear other folks thoughts as well...

DMong Nov 29, 2012 03:54 PM

"I think there just aren't that many Triple-Homozygous out there...I know of two for sure, but I'm sure someone has a Snow from a Triple Het Breeding that is a Triple, it's probably in a petstore somewhere!"

I would think that is precisely the case there, Rusty. Yes, not many KNOWN triple homos out there, but there are far more floating around out there in the hobby simply as "snows" or snows possible triple het or het hypo.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

DMong Nov 29, 2012 03:57 PM

......."snows", possible triple homo, or snows possible het hypos...

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

RG Nov 29, 2012 12:53 PM

Yeah, I was really surprised at the weight..they really aren't that long...but they look like little stuffed sausages!

Dniles Nov 29, 2012 04:33 AM

Very nice Rusty! I can't believe how huge those hatchlings are!

Good work.

Dave

RG Nov 29, 2012 01:00 PM

No Doubt Dave...just for your information...I weighed the one female I kept back from the Mega X Falcon clutch...she is at 29 grams and she's be out of the egg since the end of Sept!!!!

2 months old = 29 grams

2 days old = 22, 24 grams

Crazy!

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