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At 19 months old, and developing the nice cheeky bull face. She likes to come out and be seen, a wonderful display animal.

No longer the hissy little baby.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

COOL!

Thanks, Bob!

Her mate Sputz (changed name from Bronze). He is a bit shyer but with size comes calmness. He is a normal color patternless sayi.

My youngest, Spatz, who is not quite as timid as in this early photo. He is in blue now; after he sheds I'll post his pic. He is a hypo patternless sayi.

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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Beautiful.Patternless albino annectens?

reako45

Thanks!

In natural light indoors late afternoon no flash. She is an AMELANISTIC & PATTERNLESS sayi, or Sunglow.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

I ran across a website of known Sayi morphs, and it stated that the Sunglow was a combinaion of Hypomelanistic Albino “Hybino” or Hypomelanistic Albino Patternless...with Hypo being the missing ingredient from what u describe.
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1.1 Trumbower Tricolor P.C.Sayi
0.1 Albino Tricolor P.C.Sayi
1.0 Normal (het.for Anery) P.C.Sayi
0.1 Whitesided (het.for Pat'less,poss.Axan) P.C.Sayi
0.1 Leucistic P.M.Mugitus

She is het for albino, w/s, axanthic, and her mate unrelated is also het for albino, axanthic, w/s. My understanding of the morphs is at neophyte level. All I am certain of is in order to get patternless on the first try both parents have to either be patternless or carry the gene for it.

my reverse trio, one 2011 female and two 2012 males.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Hi Bob,the animal you call Spitz,is homozygous albino,(not heterozygous.) homo. Patternless,and from the looks of the baby picture,could be homo. Hypo,(but I don't know enough about the parental genetics to say,check with the breeder/seller on that one.) it can be difficult to discern hypo when expressed with patternless animals unless you can see them with siblings that are only expressing patternless,(IMHO) or patternless albino in this case. If she is expressing three traits she's a patternless sunglow,if not she's a patternless albino,(het/poss.het. for the other traits you mentioned,depending on the parents genetics of course.) not trying to criticize,or anything,just trying to give some input. that's a great complimentary trio,that should really be rewarding to breed in a few years!!!

LOL! All this morph nomenclature makes my head spin! Eventually I will grok it. No offence taken, I appreciate all the education I can get.
Spitz was sold to me as a patternless sunglow. I am not too concerned what colors the future offspring will be, I just mainly want patternless.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

I hear ya,a lot of my friends say the same thing in regards to herp genetics! I'm no expert,and certainly no "salt of the earth" in the Pituophis end of this hobby. I think the primary reason to start out with some degree of accuracy at square one,is because at some point the offspring will make their way into the hands of other prospective breeders,and while surprises down the road are not always a bad thing,it can cause some hard feelings when things don't turn out the way they were represented at the point of sale.

Spitz:
sire:
patternless hypo/het albino/ws/axanthic
dam:
hypo/het albino/ws/axanthic
I will be trying my best to keep as complete a genetics history as I can, so people will have a realistic expectation.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

The dam would've had to be either patternless,or heterozygous patternless,but this would make her a patternless sunglow,66% poss het for axanthic & whitesided.

Apologies! I left out the dam was het patternless.

Spatz, from the same breeder as Spitz.
He is from a sire: hypo patternless het albino, ws, axanthic
dam: hypo het patternless, albino, ws,axanthic

This is his true color; the terracotta plant saucer is that color although this is a flash photo. He just ate after shedding yesterday and I didn't want to bother him very much.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Very pretty.
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"If people are only good because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." Albert Einstein.

Thanks! I totally agree! LOL!

When he came out of brumation he only ate once then just did not want to eat and I began to worry...but it turned out he was in a blue cycle but the hypos are really hard for me to tell when the blue cycle starts. Finally his eyes fogged over and I realized what was the deal, big relief.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Man! I think that trio is just awesome!!! Aside from being gorgeous in their own right the genetic combinations are really going to give you a lot of great options! It's going to be exciting to see what you produce from those beauties...nice pick ups on all three!!!

Thanks!
At the age I am now time flies so fast I can feel the wind on my face, so it wont be very long before I will be posting awesome clutch pics, the gods willing.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.