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Not a pit guy and only recently became interested in them. I'm just wondering what pit on AVERAGE is the largest? Bull? Pine? Mex Pine? Or something else.
tia

I would say bull. Maybe LA. Pine

My understanding is that Mexican Lined Pines (Pituophis l. lineaticollis) are the largest pits on average. Seven to eight feet is the rule, not the exception. However, some locality Bulls (Pituophis catenifer sayi) attain about the same length but, due to their more heavy bodied shape, are considerably larger snakes. The Hwy 277 'Monster Bull' is a nice example. These are the exception however, not the rule. Most of the larger Bullsnake races max out at about six feet, and many are considerably smaller. Northerns Pines (Pituophis m. melanoleucus) are known for occasionally reaching these lengths as well, though I have never seen one in real life.
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Pituophis catenifer sayi
From Stillwater hypo x Kingsville red parents, which have topped off at five feet. This baby was hatched in August 2011 and is now longer and much heavier bodied than her parents, and is still growing fast. I suspect she may have some of that famous HWY 277 genetics in her background.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Even though you have a "mutt" so to speak, or a bull snake with an indeterminant gene pool from varied locations, the blends have produced an exceptional morph that has made her a very beautiful ophidian. I'm impressed with the color of your sayi. Her aberration is striking. To which other male sayi will you breed her when she's ready? I'm curious to see how the young will appear. I see that Jonel M. Lopez on his site has some magnificent reptiles that look similar to your snake.

Spatz, 2012 male patternless hypo.

Sputz, 2011 male patternless. This one is from Jonel Lopez.

Either one of these males will be a future mate in a few years, which will result in babies het for patternless. I am hoping that breeding the offspring will result in a great big beefy patternless baby in the generation following.

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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Awesome!!!

Thanks!

My patternless trio, female is the middle one. Posed together for camera, normally not together.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Bulls can get pretty big. Highway 277s are known to be quite huge but not very nice. Mexi pines will get 7 foot and in my humble opinion probablt the biggest of the pits but I'm no authority.