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I need some clarification on a genetic issue, if anyone can help.
I've been told that in addition to being Leucistic, these snakes also carry the Patternless gene...is that correct?
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1.1 Trumbower Tricolor P.C.Sayi
0.1 Hybino Tricolor P.C.Sayi
0.1 Leucistic P.M.Mugitus
0.1 Snow P.M.Mugitus
0.1 Normal L.G.Getula

They're not a true leucistic, but a combination of hypo, patternless, and possibly axanthic.
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FoxTurtle, you know this as a fact?
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1.1 Trumbower Tricolor P.C.Sayi
0.1 Hybino Tricolor P.C.Sayi
0.1 Leucistic P.M.Mugitus
0.1 Snow P.M.Mugitus
0.1 Normal L.G.Getula

Yes. It's been pretty well hashed out before.
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The leucustic gene and the patternless gene are in fact different. The leucistic gene was around long before the patternless. You can,thru a combination of genes, have something that appears to look like a leucistic animal but is actually patternless as well as axanthic and albino and or hypo. I'm not exactly sure of the combination. Leucistic does not guarantee you patternless. Breed it to a multi het animal and be sure. Hope this helps. Good luck.

Oops. I forgot that you were talking about Pines. There is no axanthic or hypo gene in pines as of yet. Leucistic is not patternless in pines. Pines are really f@#&*n awesome though. I have a few.

TY for your response 2gofrwrd.
I am aware that the Leucistic gene and Patternless gene are different. What I wasn't aware of is that the Leucistic Florida Pine is not a true Leucistic. It makes sense then, the genetic combination of Patternless, Hypo and Axanthic in creating a Leucistic appearing snake. THAT, then would make the Leucistic Florida Pine Triple-Homozygous.

So, 2gofrwrd, it looks as if the Axanthic and Hypo gene do exist in Pines...the Florida Pine at least.
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1.1 Trumbower Tricolor P.C.Sayi
0.1 Hybino Tricolor P.C.Sayi
0.1 Leucistic P.M.Mugitus
1.1 Snow (both het.Patternless) P.M.Mugitus
0.1 Normal L.G.Getula

Ok. I don't remember seeing any axanthic southern pines over the years. Maybe its something else. I like the northerns. Lacalitys are my thing but I do have an albino northern with a few ocean countys. I have a supposed hypo northern but I'm not entirely sure of his lineage. He is with a black n white northern right now. Either way pines are great.

I was told albinos are a weak gene, but that Lucistic animals don't have weak genes but just lack color in scales, and there were experiments that showed when the proper color chromosome was injected into the scale of an albino Diamondback the scale accepted the color and changed to the proper color,(orange back to black) but when tried with the lucistic snake's scale it rejected color, stayed white. I think the original solid white pine was a true freak of nature just like the two female lucistic EDRs that were found in Alachua Co.