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My New Andeans

gerryg May 28, 2013 03:04 AM

Weather finally warmed up enough to have my pair of Andeans shipped here to me in Maine.

This is Hansel… so named because he’s from Germany, one half of a brother/sister duo… but mostly because I don’t know any other famous German couple to name them after. They were produced by our European friend Burnsy/Gerrit. Gretel just ate yesterday so I decided not to subject her to the rigors of a photo session. Gretel is a little smaller than Hansel but has an almost identical aberrant pattern to her.

Gerrit and Scott Ballard acquired a breeding group of 2.4 Andeans from Hungary known to throw both aberrant and striped patterned individuals on a regular basis… clutches were 50% normal, 25% aberrant and 25% striped if I recall correctly. Gerrit was kind enough to sell me a pair of my choice from his latest clutch and Scott was kind enough to import them for me along with 9-10 neonates of his own. Scott also kindly sent a picture of his adult striped female that produced those same neonates for me to include in this post … not the greatest of photos but good enough to see how she’s an almost perfectly striped individual.

The most interesting thing to me with these striped Andeans is that the dorsal band is white… gaigeae I’ve seen are always red…other ssp’s of striped milks I’ve seen always have a black dorsal strip. Rather interesting but not interesting enough for me to delve into the reasons why this difference in the dorsal stripe is displayed differently in the ssp’s.

So there you have it, my acquisitions for this year… unlike most years a thank you goes out to Gerrit for providing them to me… and a “tip of the hat” to Scott for saving me the import fees and for the use of a photo.

Replies (15)

SunHerp May 28, 2013 08:13 AM

Killer animals, Gerry! Those things are rockin'. Are they from the same lineage as the pure andesiana here in the US?

Lots of eggs on the ground out this way... your other 2013 acquisitions shouldn't be a problem...
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gerryg May 28, 2013 05:05 PM

I don't know the answer to that question Cole... I've seen breeding records for the 2.4 adults I mentioned dating from 2006 to 2009... records don't mention where those adults originated. I'm willing to bet Gerrit or Scott has the answer and if neither of them chimes in here I'll try to find out.

Gerry

Burnsy May 29, 2013 01:37 PM

Hi all!

Origin seems to be in the US during the 90s. I still try to find out more. I'm lucky that I got two good clutches this year.

Gerrit
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Burnsy May 29, 2013 01:43 PM

BTW, Gerry, got your email, tried to answer and finally got a mailer deamon back on my reply today.....but I'm glad you are happy!
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gerryg May 29, 2013 05:24 PM

Hey Gerrit... thanks for the additional info on the Andeans.

Yes I'm pleased, very pleased in fact... female ate for the second time this morning... still surprised that the ventral scales are all red except for a couple of complete bands down towards the vent area.

Gerry

AaronBayer May 28, 2013 08:15 AM

Awesome!

I'm getting extremely jealous of your milk collection.
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1.1 Argentine Boas
1.1 Dumerils Boas
1.1 Black Milk Snakes
2.3 California King Snakes
1.1 Nelsons Milk Snakes
2.2 Corn Snakes

gerryg May 28, 2013 05:10 PM

Thanks Aaaron... no need to be jealous... if you knew me in real life you'd have a deep appreciation for the fact it could only have been blind and stupid luck that allowed me to acquire these milks.

Gerry

AaronBayer May 29, 2013 11:15 AM

well regardless of the reason, you're building a seriously impressive collection.

I hope to one day own a pair of every ssp of CA/SA milk... probably won't happen, but i'm only 28 so i've got plenty of time to work on it. hopefully... lol.
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1.1 Argentine Boas
1.1 Dumerils Boas
1.1 Black Milk Snakes
2.3 California King Snakes
1.1 Nelsons Milk Snakes
2.2 Corn Snakes

Denbar May 28, 2013 08:35 AM

Congrats on that very special acquisition!

--Dennis

gerryg May 28, 2013 05:26 PM

Thanks Dennis... I think that unless I finally run across some L.t.micropholis this pair may very well be my last... that is of course if you don't count things "north of the border"... and if you don't count my finding a nice pair of arcifera with nice high cross overs or if you don't count...

Gerry

tspuckler May 28, 2013 05:51 PM

It looks like you've got a very cool project on your hands.

Congrats,

Tim

gerryg May 29, 2013 05:17 PM

Thanks Tim... your choice of words is appropriate... this is the first pair of snakes I've acquired where the word "project"is part of the reason I wanted them.

Gerry

DMong Jun 01, 2013 04:44 PM

The first breeding of andesiana in the country was done by Steve Hammack of the Dallas Zoo. They had 3.2 animals from Colombia and bred them for the first time in 1987. In 1991, they made a few specimens available to the public, which is where the current stock all comes from. Bill Lamar claims to have brought back all founding stock of the animals now in the country.

The original juvenile andesiana was a male collected at an elevation of 2000 meters in Colombia in Aug. of 1978. The zoo later received a female in 1981, but she later died in 1984 shortly after having shedding complications. This same year (July of 1984), they received another female alonf with two males. This comprised the above 3.2 breeding group from animals collected around Cali, Colombia.

Your aberrant (and Scott's) originate from this same founding stock that Steve was working with at the zoo that had a strong predisposition for producing odd anomalies.

Great score man!!

~Doug
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gerryg Jun 02, 2013 05:32 PM

Great extra info as always Doug... thanks for it! I feel as if it were a good score as well, far better looking then I was expecting based on the photo line-up I picked them out of.

Gerry

DMong Jun 03, 2013 12:10 AM

You're very welcome, Gerry. My pleasure.

Yes, those were no doubt some AWESOME scores! Best of luck with all of them.

~Doug
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