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Trying to understand something. Maybe someone can help me out.

Been talking to Dan Felice about his nice normal looking OK Bulls which I think would be nice for outbreeding my favorite Ginter Stillwater hypo animals. I love the Ginter animals and Dans normal looking OK Bulls have been the closest I've ever seen to what I think the hypo Stillwater animals would look like without the recessive trait.

Dan also mentioned he has a Stillwater x Crumbley female from his pair of Stillwater x Crumbley pair that is about to lay eggs.

This is a pic I believe of a 2012 or a 2011 baby produced by Dan.

What I'm trying to understand is, wouldn't the above adult Stillwater x Crumbley animal be recessive for the hypo Stillwater gene so that the babies they produce would grow up to be much brighter than the adult animal pictured because they would actually "display" the Stillwater hypo gene?

Thanks for any help. I posted this question with Dans permission.

Maybe Dan could chime in to make things clearer.

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"If people are only good because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." Albert Einstein.

What the animal in question was bred to....but rather than saying she's "recessive",it would be more accurate to say she was heterozygous Stillwater hypo. If she was bred to a sibling from the same litter,the statistical odds would be that only roughly 25% of the offspring would visibly express the hypo trait,(if that sibling was in fact also het. For the trait.) probably all of the babies would benefit in the color department,from the combined influence if both parents inherited that level of red from the "Crumbly" part of the equation though. Hope this helps...

Thanks, I'm confused. Maybe Dan can shed more light.
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"If people are only good because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." Albert Einstein.

Impressive adult whatever.

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"If people are only good because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." Albert Einstein.

bob, i can't really shed any light on the gene concept.....because i don't know. i'm not a gene guy. i don't really care for the albinos, patternless & all the other forms out there. i just like clean [high def] animals. that one pic you showed of the 2012 baby crum x still is accurate. all the babies from that line look pretty much like that. i can tell you that the red color fades as they get bigger to what i call a burnt orange. i was going to say that it looks like ms. crum x still will lay any day but i would be wrong.....she's laying right now. that may be the quickest pre-lay shed to eggs i think i ever saw, 10 days. naturally, she missed the nest box. :>/ anyway, thanks for showing me my old pics as i seem to somehow lost mine.

Thanks Dan
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"If people are only good because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." Albert Einstein.

bob, it took her all day but she finally finished up w/ 16 eggs. she looks like somebody let the air out of her. now i gotta start feeding her again. :>/

Congratulations.
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"If people are only good because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." Albert Einstein.