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about toad scenting

FR Jul 31, 2013 11:23 AM

As you may know, I just started working with hognose in the field, and that extended to some in captivity. Which also extended to some westerns. My field work is with Mexican hogs.

Part of the field work is to observe and determine what is important prey wise and at what time of year. Which means, I observe what the wild ones eat and also test prey items in captivity.

With toads, high level prey drive is species dependent. That is, they are causal with Sonoran toads, neonates won't touch them, medium with red spotted toads, and are highly attracted to Green toads. Which Great plains toads in the middle(those are the toads on the study site. Sorry, theres no tuna there or fish of any kind.

As published in some hog books, with the hognose in the western and southwestern parts of their range, lizards and lizard eggs may be the prime item of their diet.

I have to ask, why don't folks scent with lizards?

My son obtained a pair of western hogs, an albino female and a het male. The female is growing like a weed, the male fed off and on, most times tuna scented. He finally turned the male over to me and I started with green toad scented fuzzies and that male is now feeding great and growing like a weed.

Of interest, I keep a pair of green toads as captives and they are hardy and fun to keep and are not upset by having a fuzzie rubbed on them. Most times, I just drop a dead fuzzie in the toad cage for a bit and that's all it takes.

Again, I am new, but if I was breeding hogs like many here, I would keep that pair of toads as part of the program.

So my question is, are there those out there that keep live toads or live lizards for scenting. And are they preferred species?( for when the need pops up)

Thanks

Replies (4)

jamesh Jul 31, 2013 11:46 AM

I find that lizard scent is not as effective whereas if i use toad scent the success rate at producing a feeding response is about 98% effective. Most of the time when it gets to the point where i have determined that a snake will not eat an unscented and choose to try toad scent the reaction is almost immediate. Lizard scent just doesn't measure up to toad.I do believe it is a good idea for anyone who breeds hognosed snakes to at least have access to a toad. IMO

FR Jul 31, 2013 03:25 PM

Thanks for the reply. May I ask, what part of the country your in and what type of hogs your experience is with?

ALso what type of lizard did you scent with? Thanks again

jamesh Jul 31, 2013 08:49 PM

i am currently in CT though my experience extends to my youth where i was raised in west Texas. i used to find hogs in my back yard there. The lizards and toads that the hognoses fed on in that area were then used for scenting and i came to my stated conclusions. Here it is also harder to get lizards native to areas where Heterodon nasicus live. i have tried anoles as well and they have proved ineffective time after time for me. So toads are simply the more effective and accessible source of scent for me.

HerpZillA Aug 01, 2013 08:14 AM

No success with lizards.
Right now I have 7 hogs WC and I have a tiny bit of toad mush in a container I thaw and refreeze when my hogs will not eat. And all but one eat like that. Some eat great some fussy
The non eater I have hand fed since a hatchling and is just over a year old. And I tried everything including the scenting with a toad from Texas. Last year I placed an Ohio toad in with her last year and no reaction. A friend told me Ohio Bufo Americanus, But it was worth a shot. I also tried rosey reds and she struck at them a few times but as soon as the fish stopped the hog did too.
NOTE I know several people where the rosey reds are the only thing they will eat and they also use them to try to convert to pinks.
As in my other post I saw a baby toad in my yard and thought again,, why not... HOLY CRAP,, the toad did not even move and this hog woke up from her quazi comatose state and was striking all over at it. I took the toad out and scent a pink and she was back to the coma. I mean this snake never moves. So I put the toad in and was holding the pink near it and I got her to strike at the pink and she took it right down.
So,,, I wash a FT pink and scent with the toad that she seems to love, but no interest. Is it the scent or the look? Or both?
I'm very productive in hand feeding the picky ones to excite them with certain movements. Now I'm not sure it is all scent? I do realize a real toad will have far more scents than scenting a pink.. Bur this snake was 10" from the spot I dropped the Ohio toad in and she moved fast for the first time in her life.
Feeding interests like this have always fascinated me. I do so may unusual things many may not try. Something as silly as,, if you use a deli cup,, put it upside down. The inward slant of the side seems to keep the snake from running its nose around the upper lid. I worked at a reptiles shop a few years back and fed many snakes and really watched the behaviors in diff containers
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Thanks for reading.
Tom

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