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I do think about this term you folks use, "condescending". I have to admit, I do not understand how it occurs, other then, as a scape goat as mentioned below. I am sure that's not always the case.

If you would take the time to think about it, what if, just what if, you had 50 years of continuous colubrid breeding, and I had seven years experience. In this case, breeding indicates supporting what comes natural to animals, and is the minimum requirement to exist.

I would have no concept or way to understand what occurred in those 50 years. All the lessons, all the events, all the problems, and the failures and successes. The learning from 50 years of that exposure.

You could casually say something that you think is normal and I may not have the foggyist idea what you were saying. It would sound "cryptic" to me. There can be no other option, as there are simply too many years difference between us. To many learning events, to many, just to many.

With that said, you(folks) want to be treated as equals, which means, I give you credit to think and contemplate about things written(and not to take it personal), and I give you credit to QUESTION what you do not understand. I give you credit to be equal as people, the question is, are we equal in experience?

I came to this forum to hopefully learn and possibly be of help if wanted. So, maybe you can help me. There is 43 years difference in experience between you and I, So how can I "not be" percieved as condescending? If you can teach me how and still make a point, I would love that. I do not do it intentionally.

I am pretty sure, I am a lost cause with recipe keepers, and their base of learning is being told what to do. Not learn about the animals and then determine what to do.

This is the part where I upset people. Intelligent folks like Troy, are expert at genetics, but do not apply that to the snake. I take exception to that for one reason, its the snakes that we put in the boxes. The genetics should come after we learn whats IN THE BOXES. Best wishes and sorry I offended you. I am also sorry if it offends you Troy. Remember, I said, people like you, not necessarily you as an individual.

Hey Frank,
Ive been keeping snakes for 20 years and breeding snakes now for 15 years. I remember when you first opened the ranch, and I certainly remember what you have contributed to this hobby. I even remember when reptiles did a spotlight on you and the ranch (I still have the issue matter of fact). There is no questioning the fact that you pioneered monitor breeding, and are the reason we have some of the animals in captivity we do now.

That being said. You sometimes come off as abrasive. I personally like your position on most things, and understand your personality, as I too am considered abrasive sometimes. I think your opinion sometimes goes against the grain on how people are "trained" to take care of animals, but you are correct. People follow a cookie cutter outline on how to keep and breed these animals, and anyone that does something different is shunned, and looked at as someone that doesnt care for the animals.

I think the opposite of this. We cant properly care for these animals if we are not always looking for new ways of doing things. Nothing we do is perfect, regardless if you think the clutch of eggs your snake produced says otherwise. Included in looking for new ways of doing things, is questioning everything.

I for one look up to you, even if you havent been keeping hogs for long I think your experience and view on things is a much needed part of the forum. Your the only one posting anything interesting half the time. And people you know its interesting whether or not you agree with it.

Hey frank you got any t. orientalis babies over there?
Will Wohlers

Thanks Will, I am the same me, as always, those days of early varanid work, were very abrasive, people wise. When something different comes along, folks have a hard time with it.

Here is not different, theres folks doing A, and folks doing B. And of course folks doing AB. The recipe husbandry that you speak of is the difficult part. As its placing animals in a condition where you are limited as to what you can learn from them. And that's fine if you do not want to learn from them.

My envolvement here is only for those who do want to learn and enjoy the animals.
I think the future will HAVE to return to the animals, and the reason is simple. Breeders will run out of morphs that are different and they all become the same. So the interest returns to the animal and not the morph. As you know, been there done that.

The truth is, At first I am not abrasive, but if you attack me over and over, the only fun left is to stop turning the other cheek and have some fun back.
As Wildabouthogs stated, this place was and is dead. One of the first questions I asked was, is this forum a dying forum. The truth is, yes it is. And it was explained to me its dying because these and those bad people made it that way. Soon after, I became one of those bad people to be run off.

You know, once you run everyone off, all you can do is play with yourself. hahahahahahahaha So this place gets really quite. As you can see.

The reality is, its not my fault or Troys fault, its the fault of KS, for allowing all those others to be run off.

Again, its a discussion group, and as such, there is always differing opinions. Its the design. Its when it becomes someones personal property, that they make it personal.

WIth newbies, they do not ever want to be wrong, the only problem is again like you mentioned, we are always being wrong. All of us. Its part of the game. Again thanks

"At first I am not abrasive, but if you attack me over and over, the only fun left is to stop turning the other cheek and have some fun back."

Funniest thing I've read in a long time

Thanks, its about time someone laughed.

On another forum, a nice poster said to me, FR with all your accomplishments, your above that. I said, no I am not. hahahahahahahahahahaha Again two unrelated things. Have a great night.