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I may be picking up a patternless CRB and was wondering if anything knows about them? I know that they have been proven to be codominant, but does anyone know how common they are or what a good deal on one would be?

Thanks!!!!
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Chris Carille
Marist College and Mount Saint Mary College, NY
Department of Biology
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As far as im aware there is at least 2 different lines of them. One codominant and the other recessive.
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Dave

Ive given up counting how many rainbows i have, but its enough to deplete my credit card every rodent order....
Im an aussie in an arctic environment
Helsinki, Finland

Thanks Dave! I didn't know there was a recessive line as well... all I could find on google was the codominant ones... there really isn't much at all on CRB morphs.
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Chris Carille
Marist College and Mount Saint Mary College, NY
Department of Biology
Chris Carille Photography - carillephoto.com
Garden of Eden Exotics - edenexotics.weebly.com
http://nyexotics.blogspot.com/

Please help me understand, where's the "wow" factor in a patternless baby of a species that is patternless as an adult? I understand some adults do retain a little pattern. Do the patternless babies end up a different color when mature? Am I missing something?

I am a morph guy and love the differences they provide to the hobby, just don't understand this particular one.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

I think as the basic morph its not too special. Although its still obvious the difference even when adults. Im working on a few double hets projects with them now, and am thinking the Albino Patternless will be pretty nice, all yellow??
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Dave

Ive given up counting how many rainbows i have, but its enough to deplete my credit card every rodent order....
Im an aussie in an arctic environment
Helsinki, Finland

Hmmm, kinda what I thought, not super great by itself but maybe cool(er) as a designer morph.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

I can see where a patternless morph really isn't anything special, but I am thinking along the same lines as Dave... that using the patternless morph to improve on other morphs could be cool. I'm thinking more along the lines of a patternless ghost... I'd believe all purple-ish?

Anyways, just a starting point for me since I haven't kept CRBs, so I figure I should start with one of the cheaper moprhs.
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Chris Carille
Marist College and Mount Saint Mary College, NY
Department of Biology
Chris Carille Photography - carillephoto.com
Garden of Eden Exotics - edenexotics.weebly.com
http://nyexotics.blogspot.com/

I find the patternless CRBs very attractive. They are a rich lustrous brown that is very different from a normal adult's color. I do think that their primary value will be in combos but the codom patternless allele also has a reputation for messing around with CRBs' pattern and color in sometimes unpredictable (i.e., not straightforward mendelian) ways (i.e., producing calicos and partially patterned animals). As a disclaimer, I have not experienced this firsthand since my patternless animal is not quite a yearling, but I trust my source on this.

I have not heard of a recessive form; only the codom. They go on average for a couple hundred, which is amazing IMO. If it gets validated that the patternless allele does in fact produce a spectrum of aberrancies, I suspect the price will rise somewhat.

Ophidiophile Farms

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Thanks for all the input David!

I also think that if calico-type babies comes from patternless lines, then the price will rise. The male I'm getting I'm paying about what you suggested ($150 shipping) and was excited to get him for so low since I really haven't seen patternless CRBs around for sale.

I'm hoping to get into some of the other morphs in a year or two, probably trading out something produced here (PR boas, BRBs, or BPs) for a female ghost (most likely a het).
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Chris Carille
Marist College and Mount Saint Mary College, NY
Department of Biology
Chris Carille Photography - carillephoto.com
Garden of Eden Exotics - edenexotics.weebly.com
http://nyexotics.blogspot.com/