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Into hiding everyone, hahahahahahaha

Some of you must have lots of experience and opinions on Mexicans compared to Westerns.

As I mentioned, I am new and from what I have read, theres a clinal variation of the azygous and loreal scales, from north to south with a lot of exceptions.

That's the taxo view. And the hobbyist view is based on pattern and color density, but with morphs, that's out the window. Thanks for your help.

I meant to say, azygous scales were not clinal and loreals were. Thanks

Reptile Breeding Enterprises has a comparison on their Home page with closeup facial photos. Click on the Lexicon tab and you'll get a drop down menu with Mexican vs. Western

Thank you, I looked up the original paper. Whats interesting is they called the difference, semispecies, in reference to these animals.

Basically they stated the azygous scales were NOT clinal. So that validated the separation. But as mentioned in the paper, there are westerns within the range of Mexicans and visa versa.

As a field herper, that does little good.

I imagine Mtdna will soon either change or validate the binomial names, or not. Thank you again