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I couldn't find an earlier post, so I just wanted to get some opinions.

I plan to pick up one of R. Seib's "anery" brbs which popped up from w/c normal parents. I just wanted some thoughts on whether anyone thinks they are genetic and actual anery boas, or simply "normal" variation in a litter?

Thanks!
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Chris Carille
Marist College and Mount Saint Mary College, NY
Department of Biology
Chris Carille Photography - carillephoto.com
Garden of Eden Exotics - edenexotics.weebly.com
http://nyexotics.blogspot.com/

This thread?

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1986112,1986112
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Thanks for the link Dave. Interesting reading it all.
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Chris Carille
Marist College and Mount Saint Mary College, NY
Department of Biology
Chris Carille Photography - carillephoto.com
Garden of Eden Exotics - edenexotics.weebly.com
http://nyexotics.blogspot.com/

Thanks for the insight Cliff. It is strange how they are, I wonder if it will be found to be a polygenic trait.
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Chris Carille
Marist College and Mount Saint Mary College, NY
Department of Biology
Chris Carille Photography - carillephoto.com
Garden of Eden Exotics - edenexotics.weebly.com
http://nyexotics.blogspot.com/

As far as I know he is still working the lines... breeding them to normals and getting anery brbs out of them. It seems he has gotten hypo brbs and anery brbs in the same litter, but no ghosts.
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Chris Carille
Marist College and Mount Saint Mary College, NY
Department of Biology
Chris Carille Photography - carillephoto.com
Garden of Eden Exotics - edenexotics.weebly.com
http://nyexotics.blogspot.com/

If memory serves, Mike got one Anery looking baby out of the original Seib x Hypo crosses.

It seems like at every turn there are some odd results with the Seib line. But not many of them, not in every litter and seemingly unpredictable.

This is the main reason I have avoided the Seib line. I get it that not every litter will exactly follow predicted results. Most will be off in one direction or another. For example My Anery x Het Anery (Sharp line) resulted in 9 Anery and 6 het Anery babies. But I got both expected results in one litter.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Yeah Cliff, it's really strange. Apparently Robert got anery and hypo brbs in the same litter from het? crosses and visual x normal? It seems really strange and something odd is going on (both polygenic - anery and hypo) or there are really a wide range of variations (all normals with really odd ontogenetic development - starting off lacking certain pigments and developing them later). I'm not sure, just hypothesizing here.
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Chris Carille
Marist College and Mount Saint Mary College, NY
Department of Biology
Chris Carille Photography - carillephoto.com
Garden of Eden Exotics - edenexotics.weebly.com
http://nyexotics.blogspot.com/

The parents of these litters are the babies from the original Lockwood/Seib pairings many years ago. All are het Anery and whatever from Seib. Yes those animals will produce Hypo's at ~1/4 of the litter. If Seib Anery was simple recessive it'd be the same for Anery but it's not. From what Robert is saying There are random Aneries in the litters but not in any real qty.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats