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The larger one looks Mexican and the smaller one looks to be a near axanthic. A pic of the belly of the smaller one.

Not sure if the yellowish is a reflection or not. The dang thing was brown, but its belly was axanthic or nearly so. The owners did indeed question both.

A pic of a nice king I found while hoggin(right in the hog zone)_ Sadly, it was crossing the road right where the last time I found a huge dead female(its mom, perhaps) .

I will be bad and add, the hog folks at the show were fun and nice. What is wrong with this forum? Doing this is suppose to be fun!!!!!!

Gorgeous! I love splendida! Great find, Frank. I missed finding one when I was in AZ last month.

The larger one is, in fact, a mexican hog. Azygous scales alone are not a dependable marker in my opinion. While it looks gray, and it is hard to say from a photo, it does not appear to be anerythristic or axanthic. Likewise with the smaller one. It doesn't appear axanthic to me. They are just gray/brown hogs, one western and one mexican, in my opinion.

Here is a dark western which you might mistake as anerythristic:

Here is one of my breeder male axanthic westerns:

Dan

Hi Dan, thanks for the pics, but, there is no question the larger individual is axanthic, the belly is pure black and white, etc. It meets all requirements to be axanthic. The question is, western or Mexican.

The smaller one, I agree, normal, oh so near but normal. The vendor that had these, indeed questioned both, in the way I described above.

As you may know, I do question the understanding of morphs in the trade. In this case axanthisum. Not that what your calling axanthics are not, they are. But are limited to the variation that can and does occur with different founders. The hog trade with axanthics is based on ONE founder, maybe two(BHB and NY) as far as I know.

What do you think of these. Thanks

The two in your hand in the 2nd pic look axanthic to my highly untrained eye. A friend of mine recently found a similar looking hog in a well known AZ hog locale. Gorgeous!

reako45

Frank,
The two in your hand are indeed axanthic kennerlyi. Very nice looking. Hope you plan on breeding them. If you do, put me down for a pair.

Bingo, and yes, I heard about that. I have seen six axanthics and have kept four. I have also seen some oddball near axanthics. The bottom two are post lay normal femaIes. I was sworn to secrecy by a friend. But now that more have been found. Theres no need to keep this a secret. Its odd, because everyone knew about it anyway. The problem is, one well known hog spot is being raped to death by people hoping for hets or something. If folks only took axanthics that would be great, but they are taking every hog and running over more, the pic of the dead neonates is from herpers looking for axanthics. Tell your friend to F---ing slow down.
They are also not just from one place. Do you know what sex your friends hog is. As I have 1.3. The first one I found was a large female, took pics and let it go and told my friend. Then he and I went and found a neonate male. Which he kept and lost. Then I found 4 more. I wish he did not lose that male.
The lite one in my hand is a male, and I also have a similar lite female, that's a last years neonate. She is pounding food like crazy. I did not show her. The other two are females. The largest is 240 grams. So next year it will be possible to prove this gene out.

The other female is smaller, 17 inches when I found her and is almost twenty now. But not up to weight, when I found her she weighted 97 grams. Also I found her in the field, not on the road. Most of my field work is away from that site, thank goodness.
Since all the herpers attacked that spot(half of Europe has been there) I have moved my attention away from there.
Please tell your friends to only take axanthics(if they are lucky enough to find one) because in a short time, they will be available as captive hatched. So no need to take everything with a turned up nose. Also, a hunting lic is required and there is some question about taking from game and fish sites, I will be asking G&F about that soon.
Lastly, can your friend post a pic. Thanks

WOW! Unbelievable that was found in the wild!

reako45

One of my favorite color and pattern types is what I called high white reduced pattern. I have seen maybe a dozen good ones. All have been neonates, wait, one was a young adult male(15" But no large adults. I have seen a couple of adults that were very faded and light in color with a very minimal pattern(reduced a faded) I do not know if they are the same. In my opinion, those adults were not good looking. But the neonates are.

As you will find out, many in nature have dirt staining that sheds off, and most wild snakes tan up from the sun, that too sheds off. So in most cases, not all. They get liter and brighter after two sheds.

Of course fresh shed individuals in nature do not get liter.

Anyway, heres a reduced pattern high white axanthic.