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can you breed a normal champ to a pastel champagne/

Breeding a Pastel Champagne to a normal Champagne is not a good idea. Anytime you combine the Champagne trait with itself, you have a 1:4 chance of creating a homozygous (super) Champagne.
A super Champagne is not viable. They crawl in a corkscrew fashion. They have serious neurological deficits. These usually do not survive for very long.
As one of the first people to create several combinations involving the Champagne trait, I predicted (correctly) that the Super Champagne would be a fatal combo. I was the first person to publicly discuss the negative genetic interactions involving the Champagne trait. At the time, it caused quite a stir. However, I still feel that being honest and shedding some light on the problem was the right thing to do. There were many people who doubted these conclusions in the beginning. Soon enough, people came to accept the information as valid. Now it is fairly commonly accepted knowledge. (The path to acceptance seems to be a common pattern in science and life in general.) There are a few other genetically inheritable traits that seem to function on the same allele. Combinations involving these traits and the Champagne trait are best avoided, as they too are a total neurological train wreck. Here is a list of what you should avoid.
Sable
Spider
Hidden Gene Woma
I have also heard reports of negative issues in breeding the Champagne with Spotnose.
Some of these combos are visually appealing. Unfortunately they are a disaster. They should be avoided at all costs. It is important for breeders to share this information with one another. It allows all of us to be more responsible breeders in what we create/sell. It also helps to insure that we do not waste a season of production on sour results. The Champagne trait is quite useful in creating lots of very stable combos. Although it tends to dominate most other traits, it still has tons of potential left to explore. Some of the combos are simply AMAZING!

Harlin Wall

That is some damn well useful information Mr. Hall. Thank you for being so honest and spreading the information!

what would you then recommend to breed champagnes to,and what would I produce

Since the Champagne morph is co-dominant, I'd recommend finding a dominant morph that way you know for sure you will have a multi-gene Champagne. It sucks with the Champagnes being co-dominant because you more than likely can now only make 2 gene morphs- not to take anything away from 2 gene morphs or the Champagne line because they are still high $ snakes- but if you had a different co-dominant morph you could breed it to another one let's say that is the same co-dominant gene but with another dominant visible and get great strong genetics, healthy snakes, and retain their high $ value. Personally I like the Champagne morphs with recessive genes like the Orange Ghost/Champagne combo.

The following statement, (a quote from your post) is incorrect.

"It sucks with the Champagnes being co-dominant because you more than likely can now only make 2 gene morphs"

I meant as far as being able to retain the Champagne gene amongst the rest of the offspring because of the fact you shouldn't breed Champagnes to each other, not 2 gene I should've said, sorry.

You can combine Champagnes with a lot of other things.
I think they look nice with the Enchi mutation because they tend to hold some crazy patterning. I also like them with the Leopard mutation. Again...you will notice more patterning remains.

When making multi-trait combos it is important to understand how the Champagne trait interacts with known combos. For example, when bred with a dominant trait such as pinstripe the combo is usually a patternless snake. With Champagne x pinstripe you avoid the neurological problems that you would see with a Champ X Spider. But, keep in mind that the pattern is usually lost with a pinstripe. You can choose to utilize or avoid this characteristic depending on the outcome you desire. There are still tons of combinations that have not yet been made. So there could be some interesting surprises. I like the Orange Dream Champagne. A Super Orange Dream Champagne should look really nice! Imagine that combined with an Enchi-Leopard! There are lots of fun routes to take. Just do continue doing your research. They look great with most recessive traits so far. Experiment. Have fun! I wish you the best.

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