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Proper nesting and breeding weight.

Gregg_M_Madden Apr 17, 2014 05:47 AM

So, as most of you know, John and I nest our snakes much differently than most breeders {full cage nesting} and we feel that bad nesting and dehydration has everything to do with egg binding and other issues we see in captivity including reproduction longevity. Well over the last 3 seasons we have been testing our nesting technique and discovered a few things. One is that females will NOT be roaming the cage the night before laying looking for a proper nest spot. They know where they will be laying eggs days, even weeks before hand. Two is that females will lay much sooner after prelay shed. 1 to 4 days. And 3, it is possible to safely breed small females crushing that 250 gram "rule".

Below is a pic of a female at post lay weight. She was 120 grams when breeding took place, her gravid weight was between 150 and 155. Her weight right after laying eggs is 104 grams. And there is a photo of the 9 perfect eggs she laid. They are also very average sized eggs. The female had all 9 eggs out of her in 3 hours start to finish.


Replies (6)

tbrophy Apr 17, 2014 09:27 AM

Thanks for this informative post and proof of a great method on how to keep them captive. Whole cage nesting, wide range of temperatures, lots of substrate for them to dig around in and keep well hydrated. The deep substrate greatly increases the available "habitat" even under captive conditions in a small cage or tub.

DISCERN Apr 17, 2014 10:04 AM

Cool post!!

The " full cage nesting " way of doing it, IMO, is the best way to do it. Even though I didn't do that when I bred, if I ever breed again, I will choose that way to go about it, in the future. Buddy of mine who breeds a ton of bulls and gophers has been doing that for years as well, and has had great results, such as yourself.
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geckoejon Apr 18, 2014 07:22 AM

Gregg, great info! Thanks for sharing. Will you please describe your idea of full cage nesting?

Jonathan

DavidM85 Apr 18, 2014 02:07 PM

Super interesting thread!

I am doing a sand and dirt mix about 6 inch deep cage for some king snakes. Should I use coco peat or mix sphagnum moss to have better egg-laying substrate?

nasicus Apr 19, 2014 01:33 AM

I would love to see a picture of your set up.

DavidM85 Apr 23, 2014 09:18 PM

I am not finished with the cage yet.

I still have to put the heat light and paint the top black.

I am going to put leafs and rocks and logs for the group.

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