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The hogs are copulating. I still wish I knew more about captive Mexican hogs. They seem to be a lot smaller then westerns, at least the population I am working with.
The axanthic pair it the second axanthic pair to copulate. This female is the least nicest looking and is in Opaque. Right in the middle. The pics were taken yesterday.
There timing here, seems to be like our local hogs. Later then most other snakes.
The first axanthic female to copulate, did not feed after I raised the temps. She copulated about a month after I slowly started to raise the temps, then still did not feed until 10 days after that, now has fed 7 days in a row.
The females the copulated yesterday, one was cooled, the other was not. Sorry for the out of focus pics of the axanthics, but being in focus will not help that girls looks. Best wishes

Please let me know if you sell any axanthic or het axanthic mexican hogs.

Good stuff, Frank. Is your axanthic m or f? Keep us posted on the results of the pairing. God willing I'm gonna get some more kennerlyi field time this August and September.

reako45

I have 2.3 axanthic Mexican hogs. And will do.

Looks like you are keeping them in a plastic box with aspen. Where's the ultimate cages that you preach? Deep cages that aren't boxes with sand and all dark sides? You rag on everyone for keeping them in something other than nature but you are doing the exact same thing you are compaining about. I do believe the word of the day is hypocrite.

What did these poor hogs do to you to deserve to be set up in that manner FR? Don't you like them?

I smell a double standard in the works FR....The ole do as I say not as I do song and dance.

WOW! Put that in your juice box and suck on it!

No offense sir but if brains were rocket fuil, you could not launch a pencil. or power a PEAants motorcycle half way around a BB.
I wrote here, I use all kinds cages, from vision(kinda hate those) to glass tanks, to rack type cages. I also said, we are about to build our first hognose cages(for hognose) Which will included viewing, deep substrate, lite heat and dark heat. And Deep nesting.
Also, I do not restrict myself or my animals by keeping them in A CAGE. I utilize raise up cages, holding cages, breeding cages and nesting cages. I also use different type cages to TEST different abilities.
If you had any brains and I am fairly sure you don't, you would question instead of attack. The problem with that is, your not smart enough to ask good questions.
For instance, what I am opposed to is RECIPE keeping, which is not about sweater boxes or racks, it's about blind follow the instructions of taking everything away from the animal. For instance, I do not criticize Gregg, the reason is simple, he uses racks, but he keeps an eye out for problems and fixes, adjusts to them as they occur. He adjusts to the snakes, not make the snakes adjust to a box. As soon as he heard me mentioned deep nesting and show a picture, he took that made it his way and ran with it. Sir, that is what this is about. Not any one particular cage or approach. Simply to adjust to your animals. end part 1

The only HUGE problem I saw here was poor nesting. Poor to a point of snakes aborting eggs and keepers thinking that was good. That you get in the way of helping folks understand that, makes you a really bad person. Yes, the world is full of arsebites like you. Your so afraid of others trying to help, you attack and attack. So you attack me and your too ignorant to carry on a conversation or ask decent questions. You just sit around and try to attack someone who's trying to help. You take the approach you just took, what a baby, grow the heck up. Either help or go away. But don't worry about me.
If you would put in 1/4 the effort you do with me with snakes, you would continue to learn. You have to ask, why you put all that time and effort towards me. If I am wrong, I would be just like you and others. You simply cannot stand the possibility I have something to add. lastly, spineless folks like you are a dime a dozen, are all tough on a computer but would never say a thing face to face. I cannot wait to read what you come up with next. How about a simple husbandry question. You do understand, your crap only effects stupid people, the smart ones take what helps them and utilize it. Its funny but, do you think I could have setup those pics just to get you all crazy?

FR..you are a very intelligent person but your intelligence is outstripped by your arrogance. You take a challenge to your practice by insulting anyone who has the gumption to challenge your post. You have a right to respond but that type of response is childish. You don't have to become defensive. A good post suddenly became a really bad post.

I think you are totally missing the point. First, my advice is not personal, if you or others, are not having a problem, its not meant for you. But somehow, you think its all about you. So you get all insulted. I always say, if your not having problems, then the advice is not for you.
As I mentioned, snakes scattering eggs is an abortion of those eggs, its not nesting. If your not having that problem. Then continue on with what your doing.
Why some of you feel so threatened is all about you. And lastly, I do not come here to make friends. I come to learn and share. If I make friends, then great, but its not the intent.
What is odd is, if I do not interest you or have anything that benefits you. then please by all means, ignore me.
I do ask, why aren't you experts helping those that need help??????????? I do find that odd.

NO you are the one missing the point. Insulting people is not teaching anyone anything. You can state your case without being hostile. Then if they do not like it, tough. Remember that there are lots of people that read the forum without responding. When they see pissing matches going on it is a turn off, & your knowledge will never reach them.

No offense, you insult yourself. I talk about animals, and many here make it about them as a person. Sir, that is the first hurdle one needs to understand, if you want to learn. Husbandry is about animals. Its not personal, or about an individual human. Unless that human wants it to be.
The first response is when people make something personal, is to attack. All you have to do is, observe what happens. An example, Gregg and I both mentioned, hogs can nest the night after they shed. The first response is, your nuts, your an a hole, your this or that. That's where crap happens. Hogs can and do lay the night after they shed. The hows and whys and the whos, are all up to discussion. But folks do not want to discuss, they WANT TO FIGHT. So forgive me, I indeed grew up fighting, Boxed, wrestled thru AAU and college. So I am all in, if that's what they want me to do. I was a white kid raised in Watts, what the heck do you expect from me?
Of interest, many of you want information that you do not understand, to be given to you, ON YOUR TERMS. Hmmmmmmmmmm you want to be placated. Sadly, its not on your terms if and only if, you do not understand it. And Sadly, the best way to fail is to play on someone elses terms. Yes, I understand, humans want to play on a level playing field. Again sadly, the field is never level. And that sir is the problem here. Folks on a rack system forum, want everyone to be the same. Again, most folks want to be patted on the back. I do not do that. I do congratulate folks for work well done. But this, your the man, crap, ain't going to happen. To me, when we succeed well, that's because of the snakes, when we fail, its our fault. People here act as it they are responsible for snakes reproducing, Sadly they are wrong, they are responsible for getting in the way of what these wonderful animals do naturally. Their specific design is to reproduce and they have done so for thousands of years. We get no credit for that.

"And Sadly, the best way to fail is to play on someone elses terms."

Sadly this fits you oh so well. When someone doesnt play on your terms you become childish and make posts that cause you to lose all credibility. Thats when you lose. Not to mention you are a simple hopcrite when comes to the area of caging. You keep them in the same manner as you attack everyone else for doing. You attacked my set ups and they are by far more superiour in design and functionality for the animals than your flat empty plastic boxes. If you were a real man with any morals or ethics you would admit that and apologize for being wrong and childish.

But I already know what you are going to do...

I have said this to him several times long before he went off the deep end. And we are not the only ones to say it. He's just to arrogant to learn from it again...

"I also said, we are about to build our first hognose cages(for hognose) Which will included viewing, deep substrate, lite heat and dark heat. And Deep nesting.
Also, I do not restrict myself or my animals by keeping them in A CAGE. I utilize raise up cages, holding cages, breeding cages and nesting cages. I also use different type cages to TEST different abilities. "

No matter how you slice it FR you are still using a box to keep them in just like EVERYONE else. You are no different.