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Brand New annectens morph

alstotton Jul 01, 2014 05:12 AM

I'm sharing this here first for all my fellow pituophis brothers on here.

First up Big Shout must go out to John Micheals outta CA.

A brand new annectens morph hatched at my place on Sunday/Monday and as yet its unnamed, its the first ever Micheals line Albino patternless hatched outside the U.S.
The interesting part is it has very non albino eyes and a Jet BLACK tongue making it the first off a kind Worldwide.

It's times like this that make it all the effort worthwhile, despite of the perceived "un-coolness" in the herp world regarding our beloved species in general.

The mother is an odd T pos. like albino that I've nicknamed Micheals Special and I got from John a few seasons ago, the father a first gen poss het patternless.

MUM

Her eye colour and dark tongue are clearly illustrated on this pic

NEW MORPH
From a clutch of six only three went full term , so the odds were greatly stacked in my favour here it seems.

NEW MORPH With Attitude

Replies (18)

hermanbronsgeest Jul 01, 2014 06:12 AM

Sunglasses included, may I assume?

Bleeping awesome!
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I'm Dutch. Somebody shoot me.

alstotton Jul 01, 2014 07:28 AM

Cheers Herman!

Yep but only this type of sunglasses will be available LOL

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Jason Nelson Jul 01, 2014 08:27 PM

Congrats Al
That is awesome! I like how you can see some faint pattern. Great looking animal!

alstotton Jul 02, 2014 11:36 AM

Congrats Al
That is awesome! I like how you can see some faint pattern. Great looking animal!

Cheers Jason.

Yep its very very faint but visible
my albino patternless F had faint stripes when I first got her, but they had disappeared within the first year.

Brandon_Marsh37 Jul 02, 2014 10:20 AM

Nice lookin animal Al! It's these times that I just love this culture! The feeling you get accomplishing something like getting a new morph even hatching out some unique pattern is hard to top! Congrats and I wish you the best raising and breeding the little one. Thanks for sharing its beauty with us.😊

alstotton Jul 02, 2014 11:44 AM

Cheers Brandon, much appreciate the positive reply Bro.

Its certainly nice to be breeding the un cool colubrids we all love so much
My annectens give me so much joy, especially come hatching time and breeding for quality not quantity is my general aim overall these days.
Of course this generally means my annual 'not keeping any more' oath eventually crumbles.
Seems this season I only lasted the two days it took that clutch to hatch, a record short time, for even me! LOL

Brandon_Marsh37 Jul 02, 2014 09:11 PM

I'm with ya on that! I love my un cool colubrids and honestly in a ball python cornsnake dominated industry I like to do my own thing. I have some corns and I do love BPs but most of my corns are from ppl that don't want em anymore so I take them in until I find a home for I also still like to work with a couple corn morphs. But kings and pituophis are my heart! I'll always be a colubrids guy! I do this cuz I love the animals and I love all animals but I believe those of us that have the pits are the ones that have taste haha I live in a area that has some beautiful bulls so on top of my sunglow Whiteside ghost and reds I have a locale project in the works too! And I love pines too! Blacks and northern especially!

alstotton Jul 04, 2014 04:09 PM

I'm with ya on that! I love my un cool colubrids and honestly in a ball python cornsnake dominated industry I like to do my own thing. I have some corns and I do love BPs but most of my corns are from ppl that don't want em anymore so I take them in until I find a home for I also still like to work with a couple corn morphs. But kings and pituophis are my heart! I'll always be a colubrids guy! I do this cuz I love the animals and I love all animals but I believe those of us that have the pits are the ones that have taste haha I live in a area that has some beautiful bulls so on top of my sunglow Whiteside ghost and reds I have a locale project in the works too! And I love pines too! Blacks and northern especially

Cheers Brandon!

I've kept most species of colubrids and a few python/boas in the past,But I switch exclusively to pituophis around 15 years ago and never looked back.
I still however love most snake species its just pits have the edge

Brandon_Marsh37 Jul 05, 2014 08:10 PM

Yea they are awesome! There's just something about them that has had me since I caught my first bull that I kept. The kings ill always work with cuz that's how I started so they mean alot.... Bulls and pines always talk a good game but become kinda gentle giants so I take them to educational events that the reptile club I'm in puts on. I really want to keep vertebralis again I had one and sold her and kick myself once a day for doing that haha. I'm really starting to look into several gophers actually. I jus love em they are some lil spitfire animals alotta times very entertaining haha but on a serious note those Applegate albino san Diego gophers are just hard to beat. Gopher snakes produce sum morphs that are just as beautiful as ANY corn morph out there IMO

hermanbronsgeest Jul 06, 2014 05:19 AM

So very true. Even when sticking to pits exclusively, still choices will have to be made.

Nowadays, sayi, ruthveni, and lodingi are my entire collection. Until not too long ago, I used to keep melanoleucus, mugitis, vertebralis, jani, and lineaticollis as well. But, you know, quality above quantity. And besides snakes, there's also the job, the wife, and the kids. Something has got to give.

So many snakes, so little time.
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I'm Dutch. Somebody shoot me.

alstotton Jul 06, 2014 06:55 AM

I'm less concerned about subspecies as I am space and time to be honest Bro
Prob as annectens tend to be on the smaller end and I've put so much time and effort into them, I guess they have become my main focus by default.
Still adore my jani, deppei, affinis, verts, lines etc.

reako45 Jul 04, 2014 02:41 PM

Congrats to you and John. I remember seeing the patternless normals at the NARBC show a few years ago. John's from nearby in Granada Hills and I don't know if he found the originals here in the SFV. That patternless little annectens is beautiful. Amazing that of the 3 out of 6 that made it, he was among them. Someone probably asked this already, but what is the sex of the 2 normal looking het siblings?

reako45

alstotton Jul 04, 2014 04:19 PM

Thanks Reako Bro

Johns original find sure was a real gem and the wait for it to be proven genetic was well worth the time in the end, the fact he's one of the good guys sweetens the whole saga imo

I sure was happy to see that pop out Reako, especially as you say with only 3 eggs hatching and it sure is an evil beauty. Not too bad for the girls first ever breeding.

Your the first to ask the sex of them and tbh as yet they're unsexed, I'll let them slough and take a feed before I try to sex them properly.
I do have a small clutch from my albino patternless girl cooking so hopefully I'll have a nice mate to match up with the newbie.

Cheers........AL

alstotton Jul 06, 2014 06:58 AM

Had my second clutch start to hatch from F1 albino patternless x 2nd gen pet patternless male.

Very happy with the results so far Reako


alstotton Jul 06, 2014 06:59 AM

2nd gen pet patternless male.

Sorry should of course read as... 2nd gen HET patternless male.

alstotton Jul 14, 2014 04:46 AM

Someone probably asked this already, but what is the sex of the 2 normal looking het siblings?

All are male Reako inc. the new alb. patternless

Shanty Jul 14, 2014 06:55 AM

Outstanding! The mother is beautiful. Now let me wonder out loud. In the rosy boa world there are two albino lines that have dark eyes--Whitewater and Harquahala--and one with the standard albino red eyes--the Limburg line. So it appears that in snakes we have albino genes that affect eye color and others that don't. Looks like this albino gene doesn't. What to call it? Dark-eyed albino methinks, but you, Al, can call it whatever you want.

alstotton Jul 15, 2014 05:17 AM

Cheers Shan,
Yep the mother is a very lovely snake and did not look that way as a hatchling, in fact she just kept getting nicer and nicer as she matured.

For sure there is something within albino genetics that I have not fully deciphered to be honest, maybe I should consult with my ball python compadres LOL.

I personally do not like to give new morphs fancy names, but hey its been part and parcel of this hobby as long as I've been in it to do so.
With this in mind I'll take your idea on board and come up with a suitable name I'm sure

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