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Although I cannot take credit for producing this little gem, I am the first person to get one. Chris Baubel hatched out the first ones in 2011 and kept them very hush-hush until he produced more, which didn't happen again until 2013. This is the first one that was sold to the public.

This is a 2013 male albino. You can read more about the history of this color morph on the Albino Pueblan Milks page on my website, albinomilksnake.com. The future for milk snakes just keeps looking more and more interesting...

Thanks for looking!!

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That's awesome! I was just talking about these with a friend the other day and it does seem that these are indeed the real thing as Mr. Baubel's line of Pueblan's go way back. Congrats!
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very cool!

I heard they existed, but had never seen one til now.

Hi Mike,
Are Mr Baubel's pueblan milks old school Pueblans that were never outcrossed? What a thrill for anyone to have that happen.

My first gut reaction was to wonder if it could unknowingly be a cross. But, a cross passed as "pure" would have happened long ago, not now. I remember visiting Steve Osbourne's facility in the 90s. He had those Pueblan x ruthveni crosses that were amazing looking. The 1st generation looked intermediate between ruthveni and Pueblan, but the next generation bred back to Pueblan looked like Pueblans (but probably did have some characteristics that differentiated them from Pueblans. Demeanor for example, I think labial scales too.)

Hey Mark,
Chris got his original pair in 99, one was a 99 hatch one was a 98. He got them from the East Bay Vivarium. It is likely they are from Shannon Browns stock, at least thats what Chris thinks from talking to Shannon. I have seen a couple of Steves crosses and though they look close to true pueblans they also really don't, I feel like if Chris' pueblans had anything other than campbelli blood in them it would've shown itself by now. Many years he bred his original pair together then 3 years of breeding father to daughter, then in the 4th breeding produce the first albinos, yet not one animal ever looked like anything other than pueblan. Just wouldn't be that way with any of the hybrid snakes, you're going to get something different looking pattern-wise.

Here is a het female from the same clutch.

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Thanks. Yes, that looks all Pueblan for sure.

Great milksnake to have an albino version available to work with. I love how Pueblans breed so readily.

With the limited gene pool of Pueblans in the country my guess they would have popped out of other peoples clutches by now.

That is usually what happens as unknown hets are sold to different breeders and when the first pop out then others have them also.

Peublins been around for a looong time.
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"Doing the same things over and over expecting to learn something else, is the definition of insanity"

I'd say it depends on two main factors. How prolific the original wild caught het was, and how it's offspring were marketed. If it was a prolific male owned by a private breeder who mainly sold pairs to other breeders then yes you would expect amels to pop up in multiple collections. If it was a female, not very prolific and the offspring were wholesaled into the pet trade then they would most likely be sold as pets and the genetics could very easily be sparsely represented, or spread so far and wide that no amels ever surfaced.

Remember the supposedly pure amel thayeri that surfaced only once in the nineties, never to surface again. I doubt there were much more wild thayeri collected than Pueblan's.
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Very cool Mike. Thanks for sharing.
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