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An albino (amel) and a lavendar. Or a lavendar and a purple passion? When I had a pair of incompatables a few years ago I raised up a male and bred back to his mom. I wasn't expecting two morphs. Observations please.

-- Thanks, Dennis

I don't know about Cal King morphs but I like the purple one. So much so if you bring it to Daytona I would want to buy it just to look at it!
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Thanks for the compliments on the snake Rainer.

Dennis

After looking through Ross's website, I have come to the conclusion my purple baby is likely from the BHB line, and are called lavendar snows. Observations welcome.

--Dennis

>>After looking through Ross's website, I have come to the conclusion my purple baby is likely from the BHB line, and are called lavendar snows. Observations welcome.
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>>--Dennis

A Lavender snow is a purple passion. BHB renamed the morph for some reason. You would only get a purple passion if you had the melanistic and the lavender gene expressing at the same time. I think you have a really nice lavender personally.....
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Thanks John. This was my first time working with them.

--Dennis

I agree with John, definitely not a lavender snow and possibly just a nice looking lavender. I assume it could be possible that snake is lavender albino x t negative albino.. who knows. I assume it didn't shed yet?
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Right, has not shed yet. The eyes seemed darker than I expected. Anyway, I think its a great looking snake! It will be interesting to see how it changes over its first year.

--Dennis

What exactly were the incompatibles? Albinos? Do you have pictures of them? Cool looking snake BTW.
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Hey Ross. I found the old pics, etc. in the archives on June 15, 2011. To clarify the issue, I STUPIDLY DID NOT hold back any of those double hets, but a male from 2012 by another father. I think there is a pic on your website of the pairing.

So this is my first baby. I guess it is more purple than I expected and I didn't expect the albino at all! FUN STUFF.

Dennis

They are awesome Dennis! Thanks for showing them. I have two females double het hypo/lav and I am getting hypo lav male from Neil Little next month. I cant wait to see if the hets prove out next year and maybe get some "surprises" like you got.
Slim.

Was the other father you used in 2012 a lavender also? And are you sure the light one you produced here is an albino and not a lavender?
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I'm not totally sure of anything Ross, because I have never produced or had experience with neonates. If I am not mistaken I think the male I used in 2012 is the reverse spotted one that is in my pics on your website under "some pairings." The male was not a lavendar.

Thanks, Dennis

Ok. They are probably both lavender. The darker one is like the BHB Lavender snow as far as coloring. I'm not quite sure why their Lavender snows are so dark, some of them at least. They do have normal looking ones too. It could be an extreme part of variation in the shade of brown the snake would have been if it wasn't lavender, or could be another reason for it. But like the dark purple BHB lavender snows, it will probable really lighten up as an adult, to the point where it won't look much different than any other lavender. I'd hold on to it just to see what happens.
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Thanks for your comments and view Ross. I know there may be different opinions as well. I definitely will keep both of them for sure and see what changes there are. I may be slow, but I do learn as I go! As soon as it sheds I will post a new pic.

--Dennis

Here is one that Zenny picked up at the Daytona show in 2006 (I just took a picture of it because I liked it) .

Unfortunatly it died shortly thereafter so never got to see the fruition of it as an adult.

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another pic

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Definitely nice looking! Thanks for sharing.

Dennis

I like this picture with no flash. It shows how dark it really is.
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Sure thing, Dennis. Would love to put it on my website when you get the pictures.
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Having dealt with numerous double het and triple het cal king projects of just about every combination possible (not all though)I have came to the conclusion that when cal kings display two recessive genes at the same time that IMO they do not always express BOTH genes equally.

Not all Blizzards (albino & hypermelanistic) are created equally. Some end up with little or no pattern and some obviously express some pattern. So I know that the albino and hypermelanistic genes are not expressed equally.

The same for Purple Passions (lavender & hypermelanism). Some express more of the lavender in the mix and some express more of the hypermelanism in the mix. Although they are expressing both the lavender and hypermelanism at the same time.

This goes for some of the other combos.
Ghost & Hypo
Ghost & Lavender
Ghost & Albino

The first ever (I believe) quad het cal king is pipping right now. 100% het for 4 different recessive genes (Ghost, Hypomelanistic, Lavender, Hypermelanistic). I did this by using my male Purple Passion (Lavender & Hypermelanistic) and a female Coral Ghost (Ghost & Hypomelanism).

Kerby...

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That should have some interesting results. Thanks for your input Kerby.

--Dennis
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