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I used to task "Epidemic" about Rubidus here several years ago here. I live in NJ and they won't allow possession of an Eastern Indigo regardless of it being federally protected or not.

Are there any Dry Guys that work with very dark Texas Indigos that are very dark or at least solid dark brown without the mottled look? More solid uniform brown?

Can Texans have a nice attitude like an Eastern? I had an Eastern when I was a kid and it had a very nice disposition.

Thanks,
Bob Stranzenbach.

>>I used to task "Epidemic" about Rubidus here several years ago here. I live in NJ and they won't allow possession of an Eastern Indigo regardless of it being federally protected or not.
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>>Are there any Dry Guys that work with very dark Texas Indigos that are very dark or at least solid dark brown without the mottled look? More solid uniform brown?
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>>Can Texans have a nice attitude like an Eastern? I had an Eastern when I was a kid and it had a very nice disposition.
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>>Thanks,
>>Bob Stranzenbach.

Robert Harper has some pretty dark one's if I recall correctly. Check him at: The Ubiquitous Serpent
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Try also Tom Crutchfield; he's a regular dealer on this site, has everything from Texans that look exactly like Easterns, to Gaboon Vipers.

Can I ask just what law New Jersey is using to forbid Easterns? What is it, exactly, that the law forbids?

I just tried to find the email and couldn't.

As I remember, it was something about being a federally endangered species and you could not keep one here and even if they did it would have to be for educational purposes.

It must've been some years back because I can't find it. Maybe they were misinformed ( the person I talked to) ?

I had previously seen that Kingsnake has a "law" section, so I followed a couple of links there, to find this:
http://www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw/pdf/xotic_permreq.pdf

As stupid as this is, it appears New Jersey thinks damned near every snake and reptile in the world is "exotic", including rat snakes, king snakes, geckos, green snakes and even ring necked snakes. All of the above would require a permit, in New Jersey, according to what I read in this document. Interestingly, no Indigos are on the list, but I'd be very surprised if the bureaucratic idiocy that created this list allowed other species to escape their ignorance.

It would seem to me that if someone had Federal permits, and the snake was harmless and native to the US, and non-native to the state in question, then State authorities would have no interest.

But, I'm not a bureaucrat, so I really don't have the mental capacity to understand their world.

Chris

I know someone in NJ that has Easterns so i suspect that they are allowed.

Somebody in NJ has permits for education, while a friend in a neighboring state keeps the breeders.
New Jersey will not allow any ESA protected species to be kept, without an almost impossible to acquire, permit... As mentioned earlier, permits are there for educational purposes, but far and few between... It never hurts to try getting one, I recall BW Smith getting the elusive D. couperi permit in Georgia, with a great deal of persistence and paper pushing on his end.