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What do you really know about them?
Breaking this down into a few types should help the discussion.
The basic types are Territorial, Trail, Alarm, Sex, Epideictic, and Aggresion.

How significant are the G protein-coupled receptors in the vomeronasal organ in determining which types of pheromones are being detected? It's widely known that the fire action potential of the VNO neurons to stimulate the cascade is 1 pA. Far superior to humans.

Should be enternaining to see where this topic goes.
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Its their language. Its how they communicate. I think its one of the most important areas with herps and the least understood. Good subject

Do you know anything about them or is that total of your knowledge on the subject FR?
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See, you can't even continue a great subject.

It was a legitimate question. When you think you know something you give a three part dissertation. In this case you said nothing.

I'm also interested in hearing from Will, Greg and Troy on the subject. With the self promoting of decades of experience from each, one would think that they would have at the very least a working knowledge on the subject.

To get you started here is a very good peer reviewed research article on the subject. This is what's called a good source of reference, not an ad.

http://www.seaturtle.org/PDF/MasonRT_2010_CompBiochemPhysiolA.pdf

I was unable to find any literature on nasicus. But did find a few good ones on garter snakes.

Happy reading.
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I answered your question accurately, pheromones are one method snakes communicate with eachother.
When others partake in your line of questioning, I will add or question, accordingly. Thanks

Do you know how any of them are triggered?

Do you know the anatomy and physiology of the pheremones delivery system and production?

Have you read the article I linked to? Do you know of any real literature to link to that's not advertising and is peer reviewed by educated professionals in the field of study?

Would be nice to see Will and Greg chime in since they so many decades of experience.
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That paper is based on ethology. Which means it uses the rules of ethology. Which is what I follow.
To make this interesting, some things mentioned in that paper, are in direct conflict with many current methods of field study.
To play your silly quiz game, can you tell me how its in conflict with common field study methods? To offer you a direction, Its directly related to the X2 test.
Also, the type of information you eluded to is not commonly published in peer reviewed mags. Its normally published in natural history mags. That is, how it effects the ethology of the reptiles. As opposed to the biological or chemical makeup of pheromones. Can you tell me why?
When you first asked me the pheromone question, I offered you the exact right answer, its how they communicate. Which is verified in that paper.
That paper mentioned (carpender) do you know who that is and what he has done, as he and I have worked on many of the same things.
also, once you indicated you had some knowledge of what I did with varanids. Maybe that was not you. Anyway, when I came here, you guys feared I would do the same thing here. Let me explain, I ran the world of varanid over and left them in the dust. And there was good reason, they laid in the middle of the road and waited to get run over. Which is what your doing here. Yelling and screaming at the road train that is I, to stop. I am not going to stop and the only way to not get run over is to either move out of the way, or go faster then I do. There is a huge difference with varanids and here. With varanids, they could not reliably breed varanids. So it was easy road kill. Here, some of you are light years ahead of me in breeding hognose. So I stated, I am not interested in that aspect, as its already done. I am interested in hognose, being hognose. Which in this case is how they use these pheromones you bring up here. You see, there's another conflict. pt1

Field study methods and husbandry are normally based on a snake, an individual snake. That is, follow a snake. Put a snake in a cage. All about one snake. In the past science has treated accepted these animals as solitary, as you do with your moss cage. Most do, so don't feel bad.
The paper you cited, points out that the biological development, in particular, the system of pheromones, indicates a society of snakes. or better yet, a community of snakes. It indicates advanced biological systems to communicate with other reptiles. Not only their own species by the way.
What is interesting is me is, the balance of pheromones, vs. cognitive choice(which they are not suppose to have but do have) That is, when a individual snake behaves in a way, contrary to pheromone exposure. And they do. After all, is a language. You tell me to go away and I don't go. Why, because I don't want to. So what happens when this occurs in nature or our cages. Dude, this is so much fun its ridiculous.
If you thought you could not shut me up before, get ready, cause on this subject, I could go on forever. Thank you so much for bringing this subject up. Are you sure you want me to be part of your thread, because I am only getting started here, I can and will go on and on and on. Love it. I do.

A result of pheromone conflict with civilized animals. A non violent battle. I love it, they are more civilized then us. hahahahahaha

I reposted them here for you.... Try to stay on topic FR.

Do you know how any of them are triggered?

Do you know the anatomy and physiology of the pheremones delivery system and production?

Have you read the article I linked to? Do you know of any real literature to link to that's not advertising and is peer reviewed by educated professionals in the field of study?
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I answered that question, your just to ignorant and enraged to understand it.

With all your grandstading you failed to answer my questions again. All you have done so far is try to derail the topic at hand. Typical FR move to cover up your short comings.

Here is the original question since you think you know so much more than the rest of us.

"What do you really know about them?
Breaking this down into a few types should help the discussion.
The basic types are Territorial, Trail, Alarm, Sex, Epideictic, and Aggresion.

How significant are the G protein-coupled receptors in the vomeronasal organ in determining which types of pheromones are being detected?"
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