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Primate Proposition

bossanimalman Feb 17, 2010 09:33 AM

I have been reading this message board for many years now and have noticed that the majority of the people that respond to peoples’ questions are against keeping primates as pets. This is ironic because I thought that the sole purpose of this forum was originally designed for the exotic pet community to talk about their pets. After all, this website is called Exotic Hobbyist. I have always thought of it as a place where people go that are into the hobby of keeping and breeding exotic animals because that’s what they like, not what they don’t like. This website has the presupposition that people have the right to private ownership of primates, thus this should not be a forum for the argument that private ownership is in question. Other primate keepers, such as zoo staff, have a double standard in that they believe they should be able to have primates, but private keepers shouldn’t. If you are against keeping primates as pets then why are you here in the first place? It’s rude to put someone else’s hobby down when you have no business doing so. I wouldn't go onto a horticulture forum and say that sago palms are the worst plant to have in your front yard. One person described monkeys as disgusting. How could an intelligent human being think a monkey is a disgusting animal when monkeys are among the highest order in the animal kingdom? This shows that this person obviously doesn’t like primates so why is their opinion needed here? This person’s time and energy could be spent elsewhere; perhaps a hobby of their own. Not to mention the fact that capuchin monkeys are used in the aid of disabled people. Many people who are wheelchair bound their entire lives have nothing to look forward to and having a monkey around brings much joy into their lives. Monkeys are very intelligent and inquisitive creatures that God put on this planet for our dominion and fellowship.

The question “Do monkeys make good pets?” has resurfaced many times over the years on this forum. Personally I have never had one, but my dad has. He read all about monkey ownership before he got Raquel and it was his copy of Monkeys as Pets that turned me on to monkeys. His mom bought him a female weeper capuchin that was wild-caught and imported. Her cage was 6’x6’x6’ with a wire bottom that was slightly off the ground. The cage was outside and butted up against the wall of the house right in front of my dad’s bedroom window so all he had to do was open his bedroom window and in came Raquel (after Raquel Welch). At first Raquel was very shy, but after constant work, she trusted my dad enough to ride around on his shoulder and interact with him. Over the years he never had any behavioral problems with her. My dad is an exception to most people though because he has always had a special way with animals, a natural ease that they seem to respond to. He's kept everything from monkeys to cobras to kinkajous to coconut crabs. Raymond L. Ditmars said it best; it takes a special breed of person to be a boss animal man. A boss animal man is someone who can adapt himself to anything from an electric eel to a dung beetle to a gorilla. My dad's hands-on experience has educated him about animals as opposed to the knowledge that most people attain from what they see on TV or read on the internet, which is commonly misunderstood.

The question of whether monkeys make good pets depends largely on whether you are an animal person or not. Some people are very good with primates, understand their behavior and have good experiences with them. Then you have the people who in their own ignorance don’t know how to handle primates and run into unfortunate circumstances. Next thing you know they are on the internet bashing a hobby that they know nothing about. So before you ask the question "Do monkeys make good pets?" ask yourself this: "Will I make a good primate owner?". Leonore Brandt who wrote Monkeys as Pets and Raccoon Family Pets is a prime example of an animal person. She spent several years working as the curator of the Cincinnati Children’s Zoo. Having a lot of hands-on experience, a natural ability with animals, and a true love for her animals, she was able to write about successful primate ownership and share it with other primate owners. Animals can sense the "real you" and if the "real you" is a drunken alter ego, than you probably shouldn't be owning any type of animal.

One topic that I find particularly interesting is the ban on primates. The government can ban anything they want, but that isn’t going to stop people from doing it. There are always going to be people off the radar that keep animals in secrecy who won’t be affected by a ban. These people know that it’s best to keep to themselves. The people that ask permission from wildlife officials are actually raising a red flag. When you ask them if you can keep an exotic pet then their curiosity is aroused and investigations begin. You pretty much ruined your chance of owning any type of exotic animal. There have been many stories of people that have gone through the licensing process thinking they are doing the right thing only to find out that it is a nightmare. Angry wildlife officers can and will show up to your house at any time they please to do random inspections and if they see something they don’t like, they’ll find a way to stop you from doing what you love to do. They aren’t really concerned with the welfare of the animal. They have a job to do that raises revenue for the government. This is coming from many different sources that each has several years of experience in the exotic animal industry. America is the land of the free and for someone to say I can’t keep exotic animals despite the fact that my father and I have several years of combined experience and education, is taking away our freedom which is against the principles of what our nation was founded on. All a wildlife permit is, is a way for the government to keep tabs on everyone who has exotics, to hold power over them, and to rob keepers of money they could otherwise be using to held benefit their animals.

The last subject I’d like to write about is the business side of the hobby. Why are there so many primates available that sell for thousands of dollars a piece if primates make bad pets? If someone can sell a spider monkey for $12,000 then how could someone even think about buying one if they make such terrible pets? You would think that every primate breeder would go out of business. How can a breeder in Louisiana, for example, afford to run two ranches full time if primates don’t sell due to the fact that they supposedly make bad pets? I know the answer. Monkeys don't necessarily make bad pets. The vast majority of people make bad owners and when they realize that owning a monkey is a 40+ year commitment, they grow tired of it until the animal goes insane from living in a parrot cage and then they send it off to some primate sanctuary in Florida for someone else to keep it caged up for the rest of its life. Granted they are living with other monkeys, but most former pets aren't used to interacting with other monkeys.

In conclusion, find other people that are into the same hobby as you and seek advice there. It’s best for potential primate owners to formulate their own opinions based on the education of successful primate owners. Taking the advice of someone who has never owned a primate is like taking financial advice from a homeless person. Don’t let someone persuade you who you don’t know or trust. Find the good people out there that are down to earth and know what they’re talking about. Ignore the people that have bought monkeys on impulse and don’t really take the importance of being a good owner into consideration. There are some parents that raise good children and there are some people that breed and end up with heathens.

Replies (3)

Ruehlman Feb 26, 2010 05:25 PM

I agree with you 100 percent! I own a White Faced Capuchin Monkey, and also a breeder Pair of Cotton top tamarin moneys. I have paid over 8000 for my capuchin, and over 10,000 for my pair of cotton tops...why in the world would I pay that much money for TERRIBLE animals!? lol
My Capuchin only play bites, and my Cotton tops have NEVER bitten anyone (including myself). The cotton tops are 6 years old and are still as gentle and friendly as ever. My Capuchin does wear diapers, clothes, and a leash and has never taken them off. Monkeys are a big responsibility and I would never reccomend them to just anyone, but for me they are the perfect pets. They are also NOT dirty and have never thrown feces as some people say monkeys do. Thank you for posting this, and I hope some of the primate bashers will leave.
Thanks again

Jacob-

gdanzig1280 May 05, 2010 12:54 AM

Very well said. I have a 2 year old java macaque. When I was looking for a vet I heard the best way to describe how "nasty" primates are, when I asked If he had to suit up to see my java as I heard some do he said, most people eat, sleep and bath with there monkeys so If they are not sick then me touching one sure as hell aint going to get sick. I saw a statistic list on the net that shows frequency of animal bites and you are way by far more likely to get bitten by your dog, cat , hamster, bird or any other pet than you are by your monkey but just like pitbulls you only hear the bad stories. I cant count how many times I have been bitten by my pets but that dont keep me from going right back to them but a newborn baby can count the times my monkey has bitten me not in play because it is zero. As far as should we own then oh hell yea. These primates have never saw the forest or jungle and if you throw them out there they would die because just like captive snakes, birds, lizards and ALL other pets their ancesters came from the wild and for the past 30 some years monkey are captive bred only. We came from the wild as well so what if we went back to our roots, how well would you do? To say that primates are bad would be to say that humans are bad because some are serial killers or criminals.
If you dont agree with owning a primate than dont get one but dont try to stop me because I love them. You want to talk about seemingly cruel what about birds that are kept in cages there whole life or dogs that are tied to trees for years or snakes that live in aquariums, my monkey lives in my house, sleeps in my bed, travels with my family and plays in my yard and swims in my pool, some humans dont get all that. I dont agree with some things that others do so I stay away from the places those people gather to meet and chat or talk about their hobby so for those of you that dont like monkey owners get the hell off this forum because its for us monkey owners not you.
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kissofdeath Jun 20, 2011 10:47 PM

Finally! Someone speaking well of monkeys! It so refreshing. My boyfriends been wanting a marmoset for quite sometime but I was abet skeptical bc of everything awful you hear. I own several "dangerous" animals so I kno how it feels to have ppl say such things about an animal that has never once showed aggression. Well I finally got to have a close encounter with a marmoset & fell in loveee! She was so awesome. It took a little while for her to trust me but after seeing her two days she was on my shoulder & I didnt want to part with her. Her owner was amazed at how fast she attached to me. So the research is started. I would love if anyone has any good website or books that do not bash these animals. It is so hard to find "positive" sites. I'm def with you. Why would Ppl keep breeding such animals if they are so nasty. I would think it wouldnt be a profitable buisness or the breeder would eventually be hurt or go out of bizz cuz all their animals would go to rescues. I'm giving myself until next year. If I still feel the same way after all my research I still want one I'm just gonna make the plunge. Any advice or links to advice would b greatly appreciated. TIA! Please feel free to email me as well. Grownfeathers@yahoo.com.

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