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we have pinkies!!!

jackskeets Sep 04, 2009 10:36 AM

You may remember Skye/Satly/Pepper/ and Sea, from a few months ago. When I was unsure of Salty's sex, and not sure how the 4 would do come breeding time. Well, after much examination of Salty...His cere is quite a 'bubble' like Pepper's is, not flat and ugly like Skye and Sea, so I'm pretty much positive he IS a real boy

But regardless, he is not the daddy! The two younger ones Pepper and Sea have become the dominant pair. They've taken over the nest box and layed 8-9 eggs in it! I was so excited when I saw 4 little white eggs in the box with Sea. But just 2 days ago I heard some tiny peeping from in the box! =D

I finaly got an opportunity to peek in there yesterday, and there's a tiny bald baby birdie in there! and not 4, but 8! eggs..Could be 9, but Sea flew in after I counted 8 and moved them a bit. So it's either 8 or 9! Holy Flock! I thought 4 was average? Sea and Pepper are very attentive parents, and they yell at Skye and Salty if they try to look in the box

Could all of them eggs really hatch? I've already had people saying "oh cute if you have any you can't get homed I'll take them" lol I did want to expand the flock, but not more than double it in one breeding season! Once these are hatched, I think I'll remove the box
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Dianne,
Mom to a 12 yr old human girl (still in obedience training!)
A 1 year old Aussie/Border Collie mix "Jack"
A 9 year old gray short-hair Korat-looking kitty "Timothy"
3 unknown age hermit crabs "Herman" "Gilligan" "Lucy"
4 parakeets "Saltie" f 3yrs,"Skye" f 2.5 yrs, "Sea" f less than 6 months, "Pepper" m less than 6 months

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jackskeets Sep 04, 2009 10:41 AM

I had to change the sig...it's changed since I put that on here;P
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Dianne,
Mom to a 12 yr old human girl (still in obedience training!)
A 1 year old Aussie/Border Collie mix "Jack"
A 9 year old gray short-hair Korat-looking kitty "Timothy"
A 9 year old black 'n' white short hair kitty "Trouble"
4 parakeets "Salty" m 3yrs,"Skye" f 2.5 yrs, "Sea" f approx 1yr, "Pepper" m approx 1yr.

jackskeets Sep 04, 2009 11:18 AM

This pic was taken when she started staying in the box most of the day. Thought "great" an average clutch for thier first breeding=D
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Dianne,
Mom to a 12 yr old human girl (still in obedience training!)
A 1 year old Aussie/Border Collie mix "Jack"
A 9 year old gray short-hair Korat-looking kitty "Timothy"
A 9 year old black 'n' white short hair kitty "Trouble"
4 parakeets "Salty" m 3yrs,"Skye" f 2.5 yrs, "Sea" f approx 1yr, "Pepper" m approx 1yr.

jackskeets Sep 04, 2009 11:22 AM

Imagine my surprize today! 2 pinkies and 7 visible unhatched yet! What a clutch for the first timers! And MY first time too! It's so cute walking past there now, and hearing tiny peep peeps from the box Both the new babies look strong, they hatched only 1 day apart.

sorry the pic is blurry, but i had to snap it fast as Pepper was flying franticly while I had the box top open
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Dianne,
Mom to a 12 yr old human girl (still in obedience training!)
A 1 year old Aussie/Border Collie mix "Jack"
A 9 year old gray short-hair Korat-looking kitty "Timothy"
A 9 year old black 'n' white short hair kitty "Trouble"
4 parakeets "Salty" m 3yrs,"Skye" f 2.5 yrs, "Sea" f approx 1yr, "Pepper" m approx 1yr.

PHIggysbirds Sep 04, 2009 11:03 PM

Congratulations on your enlarged family As far as how many will hatch there is no way to know for sure. Yes it is possible that all would hatch and it is "possible" that all could survive. That being said with that large of a clutch it will be quite hard for mom and dad to keep them all fed so the less demanding ones may be overlooked and not fed. Keep and eye on them as more and more hatch. Sometimes they don't feed until several are hatched other times they start in immediately also they may start with feeding the first few and then ignore the others when the hatch or vise versa ignore the first and care for the last although not as likely. The first ones to hatch will of course be larger and as such most likely more demanding meaning mom and dad will feed them first and then "may" feed the rest. If the late hatched are not being fed you may need to pull them for handfeeding. If you are unsure of the proper technique please visit a local avian vet or trustworthy breeder in your area and get them to show you in person the correct way. Make sure there is plenty of the normal diet available and maybe offer some soft foods as well such as birdie breads, softened veggie pieces, etc. This may help keep mom and dad's strength up and diet up to feed the young ones. I have heard of several clutches of six doing quite nicely but actually haven't heard of one (in person!) as large as the one yours have so keep us posted.

I also definitely agree with removing the nest box after this clutch. Some people breed their birds continuously even though it is only really healthy for them once a year to even further apart depending on the bird species. If you have more wanting babies after a year then great, try again otherwise enjoy the new larger flock you have. Good luck and I look forward to hearing and seeing more.

jackskeets Sep 05, 2009 07:57 PM

Thanks PH, you can see the difference in the two chicks already, one appears to have pin feathers!? already holy cow! And the peeps are louder today than yesterday. no new hatchers yet, but they just stopped mating like 3 days ago...lol He's a randy boy I guess.

I'd be happy with just the two, but Sea is still treating the other eggs like babies too, hiding them under her when i peek in. I have been giving them dandilion leaves, (no weed killer, we barely mow much less kill the weeds) and Skye and salty have to wait until both pepper and sea have had some...lol, it's pretty funny to watch all this. Pepper guards the food dish until he's been filled and fed sea and babies. I think both parents are feeding them, so that's a good thing

I'll keep updates here My sister in law just lost her keep to old age yesterday I guess we know where one baby is going
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Dianne,
Mom to a 12 yr old human girl (still in obedience training!)
A 1 year old Aussie/Border Collie mix "Jack"
A 9 year old gray short-hair Korat-looking kitty "Timothy"
A 9 year old black 'n' white short hair kitty "Trouble"
4 parakeets "Salty" m 3yrs,"Skye" f 2.5 yrs, "Sea" f approx 1yr, "Pepper" m approx 1yr.

jackskeets Sep 08, 2009 12:56 PM

4 now! and they're all being fed! I'm so proud of my birdies=D I'll snap another pic sometime today, or maybe wait 2 days and see if there's 5?! lol AMAZING!
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Dianne,
Mom to a 12 yr old human girl (still in obedience training!)
A 1 year old Aussie/Border Collie mix "Jack"
A 9 year old gray short-hair Korat-looking kitty "Timothy"
A 9 year old black 'n' white short hair kitty "Trouble"
4 parakeets "Salty" m 3yrs,"Skye" f 2.5 yrs, "Sea" f approx 1yr, "Pepper" m approx 1yr.

PHIggysbirds Sep 08, 2009 11:06 PM

Glad to hear everything is going well so far. Will look forward to more pics!

jackskeets Sep 09, 2009 08:19 AM

here's the 4...it's so cute, #2 has his wing over #4 hehe
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Dianne,
Mom to a 12 yr old human girl (still in obedience training!)
A 1 year old Aussie/Border Collie mix "Jack"
A 9 year old gray short-hair Korat-looking kitty "Timothy"
A 9 year old black 'n' white short hair kitty "Trouble"
4 parakeets "Salty" m 3yrs,"Skye" f 2.5 yrs, "Sea" f approx 1yr, "Pepper" m approx 1yr.

jackskeets Sep 09, 2009 10:55 AM

there's no trace of the 4 eggs that hatched? does momma eat the old shells? I haven't seen a trace on the floor or in the box or anywhere. The cuttle bones are being chewed on. Are the 'waste shells' just reingested for more calcium?
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Dianne,
Mom to a 12 yr old human girl (still in obedience training!)
A 1 year old Aussie/Border Collie mix "Jack"
A 9 year old gray short-hair Korat-looking kitty "Timothy"
A 9 year old black 'n' white short hair kitty "Trouble"
4 parakeets "Salty" m 3yrs,"Skye" f 2.5 yrs, "Sea" f approx 1yr, "Pepper" m approx 1yr.

MaryNY Sep 09, 2009 12:30 PM

Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what's going on. Ours always disappear, too.

PHIggysbirds Sep 09, 2009 10:35 PM

Yes mama and sometimes even papa will eat the "waste" eggs for calcium and nutrients. We have even had a few people tell about unhatched eggs going missing although most generally they are infertile and we believe it is the same general idea.

jackskeets Sep 11, 2009 11:31 AM

9 days since the first hatch, look he even has his eyes open a little Well #1 does anyway and all those feathers poking through already too! How long should I wait to touch the babies? Will mom and dad abandon them like wild birds if my smell is all over them?
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Dianne,
Mom to a 12 yr old human girl (still in obedience training!)
A 1 year old Aussie/Border Collie mix "Jack"
A 9 year old gray short-hair Korat-looking kitty "Timothy"
A 9 year old black 'n' white short hair kitty "Trouble"
4 parakeets "Salty" m 3yrs,"Skye" f 2.5 yrs, "Sea" f approx 1yr, "Pepper" m approx 1yr.

jackskeets Sep 11, 2009 02:29 PM

Ok, before I describe the set up much, I want to explain the food and water situation. I have not read, or seen anywhere, anyone feeding thier birds in this fashion. But it has worked SOOOO much better for us, and the birds are much happier with each other this way as well.

Sea is in front of Pepper on that perch, but it's hard to see Pepper behind her and the cage bars They were both very concerned that I was going back to the nest with the camera I think

They took over that nest box from Salty and Skye as soon as they started mating! And let me tell you, neither Salty or Skye gave it up easily

Salty, the largest (and I believe oldest) on the highest perch as usual! He is the boss of the cage. I do think that had Sea not been ready to lay, Salty would not have given up that box. Even now that the chicks are 9,7,5,3 days old inside there, he has to watch intently everything the young couple is doing. He hasn't tried to go in the box, but he leans way over to look in and see what all the peepin's about. He loves Skye, and they do mate, preen, feed each other, they both played around with and in the old nest box. They also both are gnawing at the hole to the new nest box, and they go in just like they did with the other one. (maybe Salty's sterile?)

Skye, sleeping on the lowest perch. Seems to be her nap spot for mid morning, she moves up a level throughout the day, she's like our little time keeper By evening she's on the perch infront of the new nest box, and at night she likes hanging upside down from the top! holding on with her feet and beak. strange! She doesn't stay there all night, but for hours sometimes. Is that a really wierd thing? None of the others do that.

Now for the food and water, I used to have two water cups and two seed cups, and one treat cup. The water cups, no matter which kind I tried, were allways pooped in, filled with seed, or with treats that the birds thought needed soaking. I would change the water several times a day and they were MESSY! Then Skye decided they were great for bathing! She would take a bath in each little cup as soon as I filled them with fresh water, if i changed the water right after her bath...she needed another bath! It was hillarious watching her squish herself into a little water cup just to take a bath, but that was a real mess! water everywhere. So I switched out the little side of the cage cups, for tubes, YUCK...worse than the cups and not even good for a bath! I saw that green bird bath at the pet store one day and had to have it! Suddenly all the birdies love baths

The best part is...I will put in fresh water, and Salty or Skye or both at the same time (thats the best to watch!)with bathe and play and make a big mess, then they go nap and dry off, I change the water, and everyone just drinks out of it! They don't fight over it, or chase each other around/off. It's just perfect! I do have to change the water several times a day still, but it's so much easier, and the birds all seem happy with the communal bath

The food, well anyone with a bird knows, seeds go everywhere! And ever feeder I found was hanging just inside the cagewall, where the birds, be it a covered seed dish or not, seem to have a blast tossing the seed about and husks/shells go all over the place, OUTSIDE the cage. I've tried those 'skirts' around the bottom half of the cage, I swear the birds grab a seed, bring it up above the mesh, and spit the shell over it and onto my floor.
Also, I had four seed cups, all with the same seed mix, well all 4 birds wanted only the ONE cup. and all to themselves of course.

Since the bath/water bowl was working out so well, I decided to test out the same idea with food. But seeds I figured, would still make thier way to my floor from just bouncing when they hit bottom, if not from the birds deliberately spitting them out there So I arranged the perches so there is a hole from top to bottom over the food tray, so no easy access pooping on it. The tray is shallow, so it's very easy to see any mess that's landed, and how much actual food is left on it. And as with the bath, they all stand aroung the edges eating blissfully together after a bit one or two will move to the middle where they amazingly just let everyone get a chance at the middle spot!

Fresh dandilion leaves and spinach leaves are given on a paper plate! easy to clean up, and the birds just eat the greens, not the plates

Also, there is still a lot of seed shells making it to my floor, but it's been cut at least in half since I started feeding this way!

So this works well for all of us here

But really the reason I post the cage pic How many keets can live happily in this cage? or, how quickly do I need to find homes for the babies? hehe.
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Dianne,
Mom to a 12 yr old human girl (still in obedience training!)
A 1 year old Aussie/Border Collie mix "Jack"
A 9 year old gray short-hair Korat-looking kitty "Timothy"
A 9 year old black 'n' white short hair kitty "Trouble"
4 parakeets "Salty" m 3yrs,"Skye" f 2.5 yrs, "Sea" f approx 1yr, "Pepper" m approx 1yr.

PHIggysbirds Sep 14, 2009 12:00 AM

Well this is going to be a hard one to answer. I always like to say have the most space possible and also with nest boxes in there the parents or other adult birds can get aggressive with the youngsters after a while. A lot will depend on their own family dynamics.

First I can't really tell the measurements but let me ask this. If a perch was situated straight across the cage how many keets could comfortably sit on it with their wings fully extended? Not touching, not just sitting normally but with wings extended. Whatever number you say would be the absolute MAXIMUM in that cage although I would actually say a couple less than that would be better. Does that help? Seeing the cage you have I believe it is like one we have a couple of tiels in. It has comfortably housed four tiels with no problems so I don't know maybe 6-7 budgies?? If all of yours hatch out I would definitely say you need to start finding homes for at least part of them as soon as they are fully weaned but keeping a couple or even keeping some for a while shouldn't be a problem. If nest boxes are removed I would be more comfortable with more birds in the cage then when the nest boxes are in. If the five you have do well but no others hatch then they should be fine in the cage for a while at least so not necessarily a big hurry to find homes but I would still at least start "looking" around after they are weaned

It sounds like you are doing really well with good foods adding in veggies or greens etc.

I will have to go back and look again though do you have a lot of perches both at same levels and at varying levels and of different diameters and possibly even of different design (maybe rope perch, natural branch perch, etc)

I did notice you do have a lot of toys but I would suggest trying to add a bit of variety such as maybe wood (popsicle stick or other) toys, shreddable toys etc instead of all plastic. Many birds won't touch them at first but it does help their development and even keep their beaks shaped to have wood and shreddable toys. Our keets love popsicle sticks and smaller balsa wood toys, they like vine balls and mini pinata type toys, fleece toys, and other shredder toys.

It does look like you are doing very well with your setup so no complaints just few suggestions

jackskeets Sep 14, 2009 07:33 AM

Thank you, I don't know the dimensions of the cage, but I'd say yeah, 6 or 7 would probably be the most in that cage, comfortably anyway. (If I was petco I'd have 50-60 in there! thank goodness I'm not eh? lol)

I already have homes for 3-4 of them, I'm just not looking forward to saying goodbye I'll probably cry when I say goodbye to them! lol

You can't see in the pic, but there is a wood ring thingy that was hanging on the ceiling, but now is bare of its wrapping and in pieces on the floor. hehe, they get new wooden toys every few weeks, because that's all the longer they last The perches are: some of the cheap "dowel" type, some are mansetta (?) three different diameters, and there's a new one in front of the new box that's a different kind of wood and fatter than all the others. I also just got a swirly one that can be hooked on the top, side or even bottom of the cage, I'm thinking on the top since Skye seems to love hangin on the ceiling so much. I just haven't figured out where it will go, and I'm not sure they need it just yet. So I guess I'm doing pretty good for them They all seems pretty happy
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Dianne,
Mom to a 12 yr old human girl (still in obedience training!)
A 1 year old Aussie/Border Collie mix "Jack"
A 9 year old gray short-hair Korat-looking kitty "Timothy"
A 9 year old black 'n' white short hair kitty "Trouble"
4 parakeets "Salty" m 3yrs,"Skye" f 2.5 yrs, "Sea" f approx 1yr, "Pepper" m approx 1yr.

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